ZiKi Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 i noticed on stewmac that guitar stains are like 14 bucks. I would like to get a nice blue color, not too dark not too light. I have a site that sells stains and was wondering if any of these are good and if they can be used on a guitar. please help LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Depends on what you intend to finish over it with. Generally, using oil-based products is a no-no, anything with the word 'stain' in it is a no-no. What you are looking for are anilyne dyes, not stains. That's if you want it to look like a Pro job. If you want to stain it, your call, but I wouldn't recommend anything I saw there except for the dry dyes...notice the word DYES. The only thing I saw there that was suitable was the Homestead dry dyes, but there was no blue offered under that. Keep looking. And yes, the Stew-Mac stuff does say 'stain' on it (I have a few of those), not sure why, I consider them to be dyes, not stains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 LMI's blue is really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 There are -racks- of nice blues out there, I probably have 7 different blues that I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiKi Posted July 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 im going to go with litchfields idea and try to get it from LMI. now, heres another question, water soluble or alcohol? sorry bout the noob questions, im new to this whole guitar making extravaganza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Mine is water based. Water based will raise the gran more. Another option is duplicolor's metalcast topcoat it is tinted clear. I'll shoot some on maple to show ya what it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Thats the duplicolor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiKi Posted July 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 i think its too light colored, but in the third picture on the top half (i guess low light) its kinda dark. i like that so i should test it on a scrap first? if i add more powder or whatever will it make it darker? or do i have to put more coats on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_ed Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Should you test on scrap? (expletive) YES!!!!! Always always always test on scrap first. Guitar Ed Opinions are like @ssholes. And I just showed you mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deshibs Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Water based dyes and alcohol based dyes both have advantages and disadvantages, I would read the Basic finishing tutorial at the reranch website, there is about 6 pages on their Dyes link that will help! http://reranch.august.net/dyes.html Shibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Has anyone tried the dyes from international luthiers supply (here) they are cheap and I was thinking of ordering some of their other stuff too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 thats just a duster coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librero Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 do you think the krylon x metals is an equivalent of the duplicolor metalcast? http://www.krylon.com/main/product_templat...product_details i know most of you prefer duplicolor, but i don't have that option, if ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 They are exactly the same thing. Different can that's all. DO NOT USE THE BASECOAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librero Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 i was hoping you'd say that. i was wondering why krylon's customer support didn't recommend spraying clear coat over the x metal paint. now i sort of know why. i'll only be using the base coat if that's the exact effect i want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 you want the top coat. The base is just nasty primer. The topcoat is the tinted clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randombaz Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 litchfield, how did you get that maple to look like that? http://fullservesite.com//lcgs/Misc%20pics/stuff%20004.jpg i would like that in red.....im trying to find out how to do that, u know....not monotone, it has darker parts symmetrically in them kinda... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth_b Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Mine is water based. Water based will raise the gran more... A wash coat of 75% de-natured alcohol/25% shelac will minimize grain raising and will also result in a more even color. I've done loads of coloring with analine dyes, and I just slop on a wash coat with a disposable foam brush and lightly sand it with 320-400 grit before applying the dye. A former employer believed that the alcohol based analine dyes were more vivid, but I'm not sure I agree. I use the water based stuff. You can get a 10 color pack of Arti dyes for 20 buck at Highland Hardware: Arti Dye 10 Pack The deep black is cool for picture frames made from scraps of maple. I did my daughter's dresser carcase in the yellow on ash faced plywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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