camcool Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 wat is grounding wires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 what are you talking about?you are a proffessional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executioner606 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) Cam a pro ? He already got busted on Litch's forum and was banned. http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view.php/2...r_a_living.html Edited September 24, 2004 by Executioner606 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthier Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 camcool, maybe you didn't see this yet: http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11229 Everyone knows about your little "custom guitar builder" escapade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugz Ink Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Oh... come on guys! He's trying to learn! Quit acting so mean! CamCool: A grounding wire is a tensile ligature composed of cuperic extrusions. It's main purpose is to prevent harmonic polarization overload, which can be increased expodentially by immense feedback. Think for a second about all of the sonic energy that is being emitted by guitar strings. It so strong that pickups have to be wrapped in copper wire, just to shield them from the effects. Meanwhile, the pickups are desinged to be low-output devices; otherwise, a Marshal stack could amplify too much sonic energy and saturate the audience... much like radiation. There would be more energy, but international regulations restrict the length of guitar necks, to limit the potential output caused by the increased vibrational output of longer strings. This is also why piano strings are encased in wood; to contain the potentially dangerous energy levels. (Wood insulates against various forms of energy.) Of course, groups like FSE (which is supported by people like Eddy Van Halen) continue to lobby against these restrictions, because they feel that longer strings give them the "performance edge" that they need. (There have been some compromises, like 35" necks on bass guitars... which produce less energy due to the lower vibrations.) Meanwhile, FSE continues to push for a greater use of "grounding wires". These are connected to the guitar through a VALMD port, which is then connected to a cathartic decompressor. The claim is that these units will dissipate excess sonic energy slowly, so that it does not damage human organs. However, scientists at the Berkley School of Medicine have made numerous tests, and have found that improperly installed grounding wires can actually increase the danger to guitar players. One of their studies even showed that the antenna-like qualities of hi-hats could absorb large amounts of this energy and transmit it directly to the drummer through the foot-pedal. That's why it's important that the installation of grounding wires be handled by professional guitar builders. D~s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Luthier Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 A grounding wire is a tensile ligature composed of cuperic extrusions. It's main purpose is to prevent harmonic polarization overload, which can be increased expodentially by immense feedback. Think for a second about all of the sonic energy that is being emitted by guitar strings. It so strong that pickups have to be wrapped in copper wire, just to shield them from the effects. Meanwhile, the pickups are desinged to be low-output devices; otherwise, a Marshal stack could amplify too much sonic energy and saturate the audience... much like radiation. There would be more energy, but international regulations restrict the length of guitar necks, to limit the potential output caused by the increased vibrational output of longer strings. This is also why piano strings are encased in wood; to contain the potentially dangerous energy levels. (Wood insulates against various forms of energy.) Of course, groups like FSE (which is supported by people like Eddy Van Halen) continue to lobby against these restrictions, because they feel that longer strings give them the "performance edge" that they need. (There have been some compromises, like 35" necks on bass guitars... which produce less energy due to the lower vibrations.) Meanwhile, FSE continues to push for a greater use of "grounding wires". These are connected to the guitar through a VALMD port, which is then connected to a cathartic decompressor. The claim is that these units will dissipate excess sonic energy slowly, so that it does not damage human organs. However, scientists at the Berkley School of Medicine have made numerous tests, and have found that improperly installed grounding wires can actually increase the danger to guitar players. One of their studies even showed that the antenna-like qualities of hi-hats could absorb large amounts of this energy and transmit it directly to the drummer through the foot-pedal. That's why it's important that the installation of grounding wires be handled by professional guitar builders. I see, very informative D~s, but if you didn't understand all that camcool, the gentleman in this video explains it all in laymen's terms: Grounding Wires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefm Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 One of their studies even showed that the antenna-like qualities of hi-hats could absorb large amounts of this energy and transmit it directly to the drummer through the foot-pedal. Are you for real....that's crazy??? is it just a little static jolt or is it actual a serious issue... Think for a second about all of the sonic energy that is being emitted by guitar strings. It so strong that pickups have to be wrapped in copper wire, just to shield them from the effects. Meanwhile, the pickups are desinged to be low-output devices; otherwise, a Marshal stack could amplify too much sonic energy and saturate the audience... much like radiation. There would be more energy, but international regulations restrict the length of guitar necks, to limit the potential output caused by the increased vibrational output of longer strings. This is also why piano strings are encased in wood; to contain the potentially dangerous energy levels. Ummmm Wha??? I'll hope this was a joke... I guess I'm missing something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpa Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) You also forgot to mention the grounding rod which MUST accompany all grounding wires in a guitar as per CSA, ISO and NEC codes and regulations. The primary focus of the NEC is life safety and proper equipment operation. The NEC and most local codes call for the installation of one or two 8- 10’ ground rods with the intention of the ground rods net total resistance being no more than 25 Ohms. Code requires the grounding of one current carrying conductor in a distribution system (guitar and/or amplifier) where voltages are between 50 and 1000 volts or where one of the service conductors in not insulated. The grounded conductor is identified either by a white or light gray color at termination points and is typically referred to as the neutral conductor. The equipment-grounding conductor is a non-current carrying conductor whose primary function is safety. The conductor must have adequate ampacity and low enough impedance to actuate over current protection devices (amplifier circuit breakers or fuses), on the supply side of a circuit should an ungrounded conductor come in contact with any exposed metal part (bridge) of the distribution system or equipment (guitar and/or amplifier). Both the neutral and equipment-grounding conductor is bonded together at a single point via a bonding jumper. (Most often this is the main disconnect or the neutral/ground service entrance bonding buss bar.) This point is also bonded to Earth via the grounding electrode conductor that bonds the system to the grounding electrode system. The panel that houses the bonding jumper (or bonding buss bar) is called the main panel (main distribution panel) or can be the service entrance main disconnect. All subsequent panels and disconnects fed from this point are referred to as sub-panels, distribution panels or disconnects. Edited September 24, 2004 by Southpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_ed Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 On the other hand, that is all pretty d^&%^d funny, and accurate in a round about way. Personally, I just do what the voice in my head tells me to do. Guitar Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugz Ink Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 One of their studies even showed that the antenna-like qualities of hi-hats could absorb large amounts of this energy and transmit it directly to the drummer through the foot-pedal. Are you for real....that's crazy??? is it just a little static jolt or is it actual a serious issue... It depends on what type of shoes they wear. Never play drums in bare feet. This is also why piano strings are encased in wood; to contain the potentially dangerous energy levels. Ummmm Wha??? I'll hope this was a joke... Oh no... wood is a GREAT insulator. That's why guitar players prefer wooden bodies; it protects their organs from the sonic energy. So you should never play your guitar with the strings facing towards your body. You also forgot to mention the grounding rod which MUST accompany all grounding wires in a guitar as per CSA, ISO and NEC codes and regulations. The primary focus of the NEC is life safety and proper equipment operation. The NEC and most local codes call for the installation of one or two 8- 10’ ground rods with the intention of the ground rods net total resistance being no more than 25 Ohms. I thought that was rectified by the the 7th and 9th prongs on the VALMD port. My mistake. D~s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Whoa looks like I still have a lot to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 It's also important to remember that since electricity is an inherently filthy medium, the use of silver wire to shunt the malevolent vibrations to ground is highly recommended (the efficacy of using cotton insulation impregnated with Allium flavonoids has not been thoroughly documented, but is probably a good idea in some eastern European regions). But if you really want to upgrade your sound, and you've already coated all your components with C37 signal-enhancement lacquer, then the next logical step is adding Silver Rock Signature Knobs to your project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefm Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well I might as well help You should be sure to use directional ground wire...and also remember to install it the right way lest you start drawing energy from the ground into your guitar...that could become lethal since the earth is full of energy...I mean look at it...it's the earth!!! This won't be easy to find...not many people know about it but the benefits over the cheap poly-directional wire are hard to deny...I mean who wants a wire that lets electrons go any which way...it's anarchy... Just go to radio shack and ask to order it in...it's not in the catalogue but they special order it for customers that do a lot of business with them...if you get lucky they may have some left over in stock!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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