ikke_998 Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Hi, I recently started playing in a band so i need to upgrade my amp a little bit! I know have an epiphone with a roland cube 30 wich is a very good practise amp but just hasn't got enough power! My band plays (hard) rock, but I'm also into bluess and metal (the techniques basicly go together ) My price range would be around 600-700€ (count € = $ won't differ that much) I searched a lot and was interested in: -Line 6 flextone III XL -Marshall AVT 150 -(Used) Fender hot rod deville 4x10 (for 600 €) what is the main advantage of tubes and would I be able to play metal like metallica ,zakk wylde stuff on the fender deville? (probably not but there might be a chance just dunno ) I was mostly interested in the fender because its an all tube with nice clean +drive and for such a low price! Hit me with info ppl!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Take a look at the Peavey Bandit II. €354 from gak.co.uk at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 I think I'll rather lean towards something with tubes (preamp or all tube) or modelling like line 6, VOX valvetronix (if they sound good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 In my collection of amps, I have a Fender Hot Rod DeVille 2X12. I wouldn't say that you could play metal with it, but you can get a good hard rock tone with it. It certainly is loud for 60 watts, I think it is. You could probably get more tones out of it since it has two gain channels and the clean channel with reverb for all three channels. The only drawback is that the reverb is always on, not something you can switch on and off with a footswitch. Getting a metal sound could be accomplished by something like a Boss Metal Zone or similar pedal. I personally like my '74 Fender Twin Reverb the best. Using my pedals, I can get almost any tone out of it. But, it is one heavy thing - around 70 lbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StratDudeDan Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 my own amp is a Fender UltraChorus, which is now called the Ultimate Chorus. 2x12", 65w bi-amped (each speaker has it's own amp), and a very flexible and wide range of sound possible. i have a standard strat, a Tom Delonge signature strat, an LP-100, and an SG w/ p-90's, and all sound wonderful through this thing. the only problem is it doesn't have a speaker output, so there's no way to put an extra half cab on there or anything, which i'd like to do for a 3/4 stack. just get some more drive over the band, as i usually play lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 (edited) twin amps are famous , but only has clean so it wouldn't really sout my style! I hope i can try some amps this week! Edited November 8, 2004 by ikke_998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 (edited) I've also found out my regular store has got a used twin amp(its dutch and says "in good state") The deville does look allot better, and its made with tweed (might even be a bluess deville) so how is that compared to marshall? Edited November 8, 2004 by ikke_998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 A Marshall is always going to sound different due to circuit topologies and tone stacks. I find that with the right pedal(s) I can get close to a Marshall sound with my Fender(s). It's hard to make a Marshall sound like a Fender, though, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 A question for you - why do you want tubes specifically? All the amps seem to be heads. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 All those are nice, if you can go to a music store and test them will be better and will definately influence your decition in the right way. With tube you can get almost every tone you want on demand, have a nice rock tone, roll the volume down and there is a nice blues overdrive kinda compressed sound, then roll it back up and step on a nice pedal and have Zakk or Metallica on demand. I coulkdn't afford a tube amp so I got a "Big" combo Crate MX120R with 2X12 and a Digitech GNX1 and can emulate the sounds quite good, but there is no substitute for the real deal. I plan on getting a Carvin MTS head and 4X12 sometime next year, if I don't get the combo with the extension 2X12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 but there is no substitute for the real deal This has been my experience. Digital FX units and modeling amps have their place, but a tube amp is in a league of its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 A question for you - why do you want tubes specifically? All the amps seem to be heads. Why? everybody says tubes sound better and are more powerfull! I need a combo because I don,'t have enough room for a halfstack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 In the price range that you mentioned, this fits perfectly, this is the one I will get if I don't get the half stack, I think it's more than enough unless you play really big venues. http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?...=MTS3212&CID=GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Carvin is decent stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Someone recommended the Carvin MTS to me also when I was asking about amps a couple of weeks ago. I did some checking around and they certainly seem like a good deal price wise. The one thing that worried me was the reviews on harmony-central. You can never know how much truth is in those reviews but when I see comments about the distortion sounding very weak (there were at least two reviews like this if not more) - that makes me nervous. Has anyone here played through one of these amps? I'd love to hear that it's just another bogus review since the price is so good. The thing is, the crunch channel is THE reason I would buy an amp and I would puke if someone were to tell me - "oh, you just need to throw a Metal-Zone pedal in front of it". Does anyone know for sure on these MTS amps? Sorry if this is a bit of a hijack. I saw that is was recommended and was reminded of the reviews I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Dave, if you read my previous post you can see that I mentioned this, I don't think that it is true, but I find that all tube amps really benefit from a stomp box upfront to make them scream, then again I think that who ever gave those negative reviews are one of those that when they play you can't define a note because all they have is massive distortion with no tonal qualities on it. I have found that by bringing the gain (or drive) down a bit I'm able to atain the same distortion but with a lot more tonal characteristics and better sound than by just dialing everything on 11. I'm still trying to upload the CD that my friend gave me but I'm having trouble getting it up on my PC. Believe me that his 1/2 stack sounds brutal, and he only plays it on 3 on that recording @ 50W . Did I forget to mentioned that you have the ability of setting the Carvin at 50 or 100w depending on were you are playing, try doing that with a Marshall with out a power brake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 carvin does not supply in belgium nor does my store have 'em! I think it would be really hard to get them unless i ship them from the UK or something.. a friend of mine has laney but I don't want the same gear as him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 If you're in Europe, take a look at the Engl combos. Engl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Absolutely, I just bought an Engl Screamer 50 and it's just astounding. I've never heard so much noise come out of a 1x12 50W combo in my life! All the valve attack and sustain you'll ever need, and the distortion channel is really shreddy and meaty if you want it. Awesome piece of gear, but not cheap. Another alternative is the Tech 21 Trademark 60 - sansamps are really in a league of their own. Give it a try, phenomenally versatile amplifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke_998 Posted November 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 cool, how much is the engl screamer? 4 channels all tube... I normally was going to go to the store today but The weather is really bad so I'll go another time. thx for all the replies tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 I think they're supposed to be £800 but I got mine for £700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Dude sorry to hear that they won't supply there! But I think that anything that lovekraft recomends too be good so give it a look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks Maiden. I'll keep the MTS's on my possibility list then. Those reviews can be helpful but can also drive me nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindlei Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Line 6 makes some good stuff, i use a spider II HD, 150 watts stereo(75 per channel), gets a real nice range of usable tones, has good effects built in, play it through a mesa/boogie 4x12, and mostly metal and instrumental stuff. i have no complaints except that pedal for it costs a buttload, but you don't need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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