Maiden69 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Can we let this S rest, and go back to Setch's guitar neck! I don't feel like waisting my time writing. This has been disscussed over and over again, is like when in the early 80's PRS came and talked about the compensated nut, everybody say he has NUTS, but he did it anyways and now a lot of people swears by the Earvana... MAybe he (Master Mind) is up to somenthing we don't think is relevant, (yes he didn't know about a basic skunk stripe that has been in the marked for say 30 yrs) but he does got a point with the distance. Do I care! Nope, I am happy as hell with my inperfect intonated guitar, and if I want to Improve I will get a compensated nut, instead of waisting my time trying to play with redesigning the frets. Just let it die, and let's see more progress pics of Simos new neck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted March 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Eg: Measure the e string versus the d string, and you will find the e to be slightly longer since it has to travel diagonally. However, what you are missing is that if you measure the fret spacing *along the diagonal path plotted by the string* it will also be greater. You can't measure one straight and the other diagonally! Dude, that IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEASURED. You're missing the point here. The distance from NUT to 24th fret on the G string IS SHORTER THAN the distance from NUT to 24th fret on the E string. Calculating fret distances will tell you the distance from NUT to 24th fret should be identical for every string, relative to the strings PATH> It is not this way with angled strings! This means that as you move outward on GREATER angled strings, and move upwards where the angle produces greater changes in distance relative to the straight hypothetical strings, you because sharper in pitch. So, your statement proves my point - that the fret spacing is greater - which is exactly what I said the fret space is greater, which means the strings will lie on the frets and be greater. ← Aaaah!! The string is longer, and so is the scale length! Thus, the intervals remain correct, and the string remains in tune. 1.Draw a square. 2.Draw a horizintal line dividing it in half, then another dividing the lower half in two again. 3.Now draw a line joining the top left corner to the bottom right corner. 4.Measure the length of one side, and the respective length of half the side, and one quarter. 5.Now measure the diagonal line, and the distances between each point where it intersects your horizontals. The diagonal distances will all be longer, (and here is the critical bit!) by the same multiplier. You get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Exactly. What Setch is trying to tell you is that when the strings travel along a cone, the string distance will be longer, but the fret spacing is proportionally longer to make up for the discrepancy in scale length. Thus a fretboard with a taper actually has minute differences in scale length for different strings. There is no scale length problem that eliminating taper will solve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewman Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Setch - that's a beautiful neck. It looks killer, and super-clean. I'm sure Simo'll love it. Shame it's such an out-of-date design though, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted April 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Just a little bump. I've posted a load of updates since the last post on here, so take a look: http://home.asparagine.net/ant/blog/?page_id=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewman Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 That's one of the best looking necks I've ever seen - I'm really impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CudBucket Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Adding more pieces and more glue can never result in better strength, the simplest solution - using the strength of wood and not glue - is always the best. Hmmm. I don't know that's true. Take two pieces of wood and glue them together. The next day, put it in a vice and hit it with a hammer or apply some force to the glue line until it breaks. Did it break on the seam or elsewhere in the wood? Don't bother, I'll tell you. It'll likely break in the wood and not on the glue seam. Why? If jointed properly and the glue allowed to cure, the joint will ALWAYS be stronger than the wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Enough people finally called him out for the troll that he was that he probably decided to move on to another forum. Good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CudBucket Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 jnewman - truss rods provide strength to the neck. Uh no. They provide a counter-force to the load imposed by string tension. So therefore, if anything, they challenge the strength of a neck. You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. Think about it, truss rods are in fact, barely even attached to the neck. It's very much an independent structure in the neck. It's therefore quite impossible for the rod to "add strength" to it. can the wood bend the truss rod? No, the strings do. Therefore the truss rod provides strength to counter bowing of the wood. It's really that simple. Again, you have this backwards. Apparently, it really isn't that simple to you. The strings don't bend the truss rod. They bend the wood. The truss rod stops that from happening. But that doesn't mean it makes the neck stronger. It wouldn't stop the neck from breaking off in accident. And again, the truss doesn't counter the bowing of the wood per se. It counters the forces creating that bow in the wood. If I were you I'd spend more time reading and observing than spewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 (edited) Enough people finally called him out for the troll that he was that he probably decided to move on to another forum. Good riddance. Last thing I heard..... he made some new friends in other forum. Edited April 14, 2005 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 That's a dude in the middle? Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitone Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Really nice work. I noticed that on your blog you added the frets to the fretboard before you glued it to the rest of the body. I just did two fret jobs like this and I got a little bowing of the fretboard (my luthier book said this would happen). Yours looks really flat. Is there any trick. Do you always do your fret jobs like this? http://home.asparagine.net/ant/bloguploads/fretting.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted April 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 I tape the board down, with 1 length of doublesided tape, trimmed into 3 narrow pieces, 1 at each side, and one in the centre. This seems to keep it pretty tightly held. The board does still backbow when you untape it, but not by much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Just wanted to say, nice work on that neck Setch... Very clean professional work, but who would expect any different from you. And most of all, you just broke the make a neck for me tutorial curse.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 GF, you REALLY need to let the past be the past dude! I can tell Setch is one of those strong silent types...unless he's back handing someone on another board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Over the past week or so I've been working on a custom neck for PG member Simo. I've taken a few snaps along the way, and put them up, along with a brief blurb, on my blog. I thought this might be interesting to folks here, and I'm also hoping to break the curse concerning PG members posting about building necks for other PG members. Third time lucky.... right ← Gorecki, I was just agreeing with what he said here.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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