rich2k4 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 i got my jackson set up, the floyd rose is parrallel to the body but still whenever i dive bomb or raise the bar up, the strings either go flar or sharp. it has been a week since i put on new strings and i have been playing on the strings a lot. the guitar also seems to go out of tune when i play without using the whammy bar. i would play, then check the tuner and the strings would all be either sharp or flat. i have no idea why. what could be the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 strings might still be stretching although it sounds like you've played beyond that. couple of questions..how many springs are attached to it? how old is the guitar? does your guitar have a locking nut and is it tight? are the screws holding the saddles in place good and tight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich2k4 Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 i don't know how old the guitar is, i got it used. and all the serial number checks ive found are only for usa jacksons. the locking nut is tight. i am pretty sure the screws holding the saddles are tight. what do they look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdeltar Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Id check the trem springs & possibly replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 If you're finding it not staying in tune, I would do the following checks first. What strings are being used, some simply do not hold out well on trems. Take off the locking nut tops and look at them, are their any signs of slipage (ruts..streaks) that would suggest the nuts not holding the strings in place. Then if still no sign, start from one point and follow through to the end point. Are the screws holding the tail of the trem stable, are the springs seated, are the saddles tight? Any signs of slipping up/down on the bridge studs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich2k4 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 to me the strings still sound in tune after i use the whammy, but the tuner says otherwise. i am using d'addario 9 guage strings, and everything is tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Alex Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Mate are you getting like an E sharp, or an E natural that is a little sharp? Cos if you think its right, I'd think that its just changing slightly, and then forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 to me the strings still sound in tune after i use the whammy, but the tuner says otherwise. i am using d'addario 9 guage strings, and everything is tight ← If you're intonation is drifting that slightly and you're beating the crap out of the bar, you're in pretty okay shape. Those nine's should hold up somewhat okay but I'm not super versed with them. I've used GHS 9's for well over 20 years and when something works, don't break it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich2k4 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 well the tuner says it is very very flat yet it still sounds in tune to the backing tracks i use, i found when i am pulling the bar back up i gotta sort of pull it into pitch. is this what you are supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 my very first thought, which is why i asked the questions, was that the trem springs might be worn out or there might be one missing. if the nut is locking well and the screws locking the saddles down are holding well then that narrows it down to three things..i think... the strings are still stretching..not likely if you've been playing them a while. the trem is slipping up and down the studs like Gorecki suggested..again, doesn't happen often. or the springs aren't returning the trem to it's starting point. springs are pretty cheap and personally that's the first thing i'd check and replace. they do loose tension over time especially if the previous owner used the whammy a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodBlessTexas Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Also check the posts and slots on the trem. They could be worn downor have grooves that are keeping it from coming eactly back to neutral. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 sounds like worn knife edges/posts. I'm assuming that its a "Licensed" Floyd. Those baseplates wear out pretty fast under heavy trem use. I'd replace the trem with an Original Floyd or a Schaller Floyd. Also cjeck to make sure that the screws that attach the nut to the neck are tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodBlessTexas Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 sounds like worn knife edges/posts. I'm assuming that its a "Licensed" Floyd. Those baseplates wear out pretty fast under heavy trem use. I'd replace the trem with an Original Floyd or a Schaller Floyd. Also cjeck to make sure that the screws that attach the nut to the neck are tight ← Yep, my thoughts exactly. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombershredder Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 umm i have a question.. if a floating trem is in working condition and workds ideally.. does it mean that if i put my finger behnid the locking nut and do a dive with my whammy bar, that the string behind the nut wont move or i wont feel it move as my finger will be placed on them ? or will the strings move and the tuning still stay, do the locks actually even work THAT good that they dont allow any string movage behind the nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdeltar Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 If you can press the string behind a locking nut & it effects the tuning then the it is either not tight enough or it is slipping and possibly may need to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 i found when i am pulling the bar back up i gotta sort of pull it into pitch. is this what you are supposed to do? ← yes, its allways a good idea to give it a little push or pull in the opposite direction to the way you just used the bar to put it back in (or closer to) perfect tune. also, if you have to go straight into picking after a divebomb or whatever lightly tapping the trem with the heel of your palm works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 umm i have a question.. if a floating trem is in working condition and workds ideally.. does it mean that if i put my finger behnid the locking nut and do a dive with my whammy bar, that the string behind the nut wont move or i wont feel it move as my finger will be placed on them ? or will the strings move and the tuning still stay, do the locks actually even work THAT good that they dont allow any string movage behind the nuts. ← Like I said before, take the locking nut tops off, look under them for signs of slipage. Realistically now, it's pointless because you obviously do have slipage. The portion of string between the tuners and nut should never more! So, either you're simply not locking down tight enough OR the string is slipping and the piece(s) that have developed a rut in them, need to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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