White Summer Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Thanks, im definatly considering. I redrew today and it feels like the perfect size, but it may feel better moving the curves around like you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 (edited) YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! i redrew my gwiter and my parts came in a day before schedule!!!!!! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0533.jpg this is my new drawing (new out of like 6-7 failed attempts ) http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0534.jpg I thought you guys might enjoy this, its my eraser Hopefully i can start slicing and dicing soon, this is probably your last chance to make any comments about the body, so speak now or forever hold your peace! Edit: oh yeah, i remembered to bring my mahogany from the shop, about 20 yrs old http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0536.jpg Edited May 9, 2007 by White Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameroo Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Do a neck-through!! It's no more difficult than any other type, and as far a sound goes, it doesn't get any better than that. Even with a neck angle, as long as you draw it all out (including a side view, that takes into account your fretboard thickness, bridge hight, etc.) you shouldn't have any problems. You need to do this to find out what your neck angle will be, but once that's done, the rest is easy! As everyone else has suggested, get a copy of Melvyn Hyscock's book, it tells you everything you need to know. If you have any questions, you'd best ask them here BEFORE winging it... unless you like paying for new wood! Don't get all excited just because you have some parts, you really need to think everything through before you start. And good luck! I wish I would have started building guitars when I was 13!! Cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Im kindof stuck with a bolt on or set neck now, my dad went ahead and cut it to a slightly-longer-than length. Also, i dont have any wood that matches the thickness of my body, and its getting pretty slim already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElysianGuitars Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Do a neck-through!! It's no more difficult than any other type, and as far a sound goes, it doesn't get any better than that. Even with a neck angle, as long as you draw it all out (including a side view, that takes into account your fretboard thickness, bridge hight, etc.) you shouldn't have any problems. You need to do this to find out what your neck angle will be, but once that's done, the rest is easy! As everyone else has suggested, get a copy of Melvyn Hyscock's book, it tells you everything you need to know. If you have any questions, you'd best ask them here BEFORE winging it... unless you like paying for new wood! Don't get all excited just because you have some parts, you really need to think everything through before you start. And good luck! I wish I would have started building guitars when I was 13!! Cam i'd say neck through is even easier, its mostly in the planning, the execution of said plan is very easy Edited May 10, 2007 by ElysianGuitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Ok, im not doing a neck thru, you guys can make your own neck through guitar. I just dont have any money to go and buy any other wood, and besides, id rather have a bolt on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova9 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 No need to get tetchy. Make what you want then post it on here, if you've got a specific question, then ask it, but don't get snarly at people who are trying to advise you based on their own experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 OK so today i went to the shop for a couple of hours and cut out my body shape, sanded the edges to about 100 grit, and trimmed and drew my taper on the fingerboard. For my pickgaurd, im going to use a 'mystery wood', and not even 35 years of woodworking can decipher what it is. Its hard as hell, the little 16th of an inch thick slice is REALLY hard. its stiffer than a plastic pick guard twice that thickness. My dad made a little box out of it a few years back, and its beautiful. My next challenge is to design a neck joint, and angle it, and the pickup cavities. Ill let my dad do all the routing, something about 32,000rpms scares the crap out of me. the body http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0598.jpg Lets string it up! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0599.jpg Mystery wood http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0597.jpg again http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0595.jpg again again http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0593.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryovanni Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 OK so today i went to the shop for a couple of hours and cut out my body shape, sanded the edges to about 100 grit, and trimmed and drew my taper on the fingerboard. For my pickgaurd, im going to use a 'mystery wood', and not even 35 years of woodworking can decipher what it is. Its hard as hell, the little 16th of an inch thick slice is REALLY hard. its stiffer than a plastic pick guard twice that thickness. My dad made a little box out of it a few years back, and its beautiful. My next challenge is to design a neck joint, and angle it, and the pickup cavities. Ill let my dad do all the routing, something about 32,000rpms scares the crap out of me. the body http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0598.jpg Lets string it up! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0599.jpg Mystery wood http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0597.jpg again http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0595.jpg again again http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/temp4/DSCN0593.jpg The Mystery wood reminds me of IPE or maybe even Iroko. Here is a page that has pictures of many different types of wood that you may find helpful. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 (edited) BTW, for the truss rod, can it just slide in, and be touching the fingerboard? kind of like letting the fingerboard be a cover, or do i need to put something else over it? i think my tele just has the fingerboard to cover it Edited May 13, 2007 by White Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 BTW, for the truss rod, can it just slide in, and be touching the fingerboard? kind of like letting the fingerboard be a cover, or do i need to put something else over it? i think my tele just has the fingerboard to cover it What kind of truss rod is it? (traditional single, double acting...etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 a double rod, the hot rod of stewy mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova9 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Your mystery wood is Granadillo. I'm 99% sure, I've got some in the garage that's just like that - the lighter colour sections are the sapwood. Here's an example - a fretboard blank I bought: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 ^That is definitely it thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I did some good old trigometry to figure out the angle of the neck, but i dont know what to do about the headstock. Could i make a strait headstock along with a neck angle, or does the headstock have to be angled too? My dad thinks the headstock is going to be too weak with a scarf joint, and the truss rod hole will only make it worse he says. What do i do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrentis Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I will let others give you a better answer, but I have noticed many people that feel that scarfs joints will actually make the headstock/neck area stronger. I have heard that good glue joints are equal too or even sometimes said to be stronger than wood. I would not worry about the strength of the scarf joint, it will hold up. Again, let others give you a better answer, but from what I've been told you would better off with a scarf joint. The only bad thing about a scarf joint to me is you most likely lose the chance to have a wicked volute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAMdude Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 i haave also heard this PM brian or perry about it maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrentis Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Here is a link to Setch's Site He is a member here and a great luthier. That page will show you a neat little trick to doing a scarf joint without having clamping problems. He mentions them looking better and being stronger than one piece necks. Trust me this guys knows what he is talking about. I am sure we have discussesd this topic before about one piece vs. scarf joints and if you try the search feature on this site and put in scarf joint I bet you will find a bunch of very useful information. Good luck! J Edited May 18, 2007 by jmrentis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 a lot of stuff goes here Thanks for the help, do you think that a little sliver of walnut would look cool in between the two cherries? This is one of the last things that worries me on this build, and my dad and i were at our corners with it, so thanks a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Ok, i couldnt get all that much done although i had a long weekend. my friend has an epiphone acoustic that got a break in the headstock. He was leaving 2 days after, so i had to repair it and touch it up in 2 days. It actually looked good, from about 20 feet you cant tell the difference. i used some model car paint to get rid of all the scratches from my dad's chisel. There are two things to keep in mind. 1) gorilla glue expands ALOT. 2) never trust my dad with a chisel and dried gorilla glue. When i returned it to the guy, he was totally surprised. Some of the little wood chips got lost, and if i had more time could have filled it, but not bad, considering he was about to use it as firewood (literally). I took the rest of the week and did a little work on my guitar. My dad routed the sides of the guitar body, and i got the grain down to 150 grit. We made the scarf joint for the headstock, and glued the fingerboard to the neck. My dad has some left over brass from a job he did a few years ago replacing a floor, and that will be my nut. I came up with a headstock design that looks good on paper, but it my be a touch small. Its an asymmetric 3 on 3, and at the slimmest point it is a little less than 2 in. Its kind of like a prs. Oh yeah, i routed and dropped in the truss rod. My next step is to cut out the neck pocket, taper and shape the neck, and cut out the headstock. I need to get those things done by next Wednesday, it will be in an art show even though it is unfinished. I'm looking around for a neck joining tut, so if you see one that is exceptionally exceptional, don't be afraid to post. pix soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I've never used Gorilla glue, but I've seen joints with it, and I wouldn't use it on guitars.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I've never used Gorilla glue, but I've seen joints with it, and I wouldn't use it on guitars.... yeah thats what i thought too, but the guitar still sounds exactly the same. My dad wants to use that for our scarf joint, but i think regular wood glue will be plenty strong enough. But he's got 35+ years of wood working under his belt, so its tough to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I've never heard of any woodworker using Gorilla glue for woodwork. Usually HHG, Titebond, and a couple other carpenter glues. I really wouldn't recommend the stuff, it foams up a great deal and chances are you'll have a glue line showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Summer Posted May 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 yeah thats my only gripe. My dad thinks we can clamp it down tight to get rid of the line.... We'll just see how it turns out i guess, what ever type of glue we use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElysianGuitars Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 yeah thats my only gripe. My dad thinks we can clamp it down tight to get rid of the line.... We'll just see how it turns out i guess, what ever type of glue we use. i know john reuter was messing around with it when gluing up his multi laminate neck through neck blanks for some jerry garcia guitars when i was at roberto-venn... the finished project was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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