WezV Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 yes i would agree, you seem to be misunderstanding me here is what i suggested I would make a full sized pocket shim, a wedge shaped shim that fills the neck pocket completely to ensure good contact between neck and body. maybe tapered shim would have been a better choice of words but i expect people that dont quite get what i am saying to do the thinking to figure it out for themselves. I am not posting here for a profession, do not get paid and my responses may not always be good english... but i am willing to try and clarify anything i suggest that gets misunderstood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) I think we are a bee's todger away from agreement on the best fix, because the forward end of the pocket has got to be routed down, and be angled, and the posterior end of the pocket has got to come up, the only way to do it accurately is, as you say a full pocket insert, and then reroute. You can be Jerry Springer on this one Edited October 24, 2008 by Muzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) There is a great explanation of calculating neck angles here And a fantastic and easy to use calculator here My comment about year 5 maths looks bitchy in the light of day, I had just come home from a fantastic night out on the town and my beer goggles stopped me from seeing how it might be interpreted, I am going to take it down. The neck angle needed on a flat top guitar is less than that needed on a carved top like a Lezo. The bridge pickup can be a humbucker and mounted in a bridge pick up frame and it will look like every other bridge humbucker. There are many solutions to every problem. Edited October 25, 2008 by Muzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hey blinkknot how are you going with it? If you read the preceeding discussion, you can see that you have a choice of two fixes, A. Build up the neck pocket with a tapered shim or shim composite and sink the bridge or B. Put an insert in the pocket and reroute an angle with ~ a 2 mm lift Both are good techniques that will give you a good looking and playing guitar. If you go with plan A, a really simple shim method is use about 3 pieces of thin hardwood veneer in a step arrangement. You can try a step at a time until you get the angle right and you can sand a smooth ramp or even use epoxy to fill in the steps to get good traction between the neck and the pocket. Sinking your baby grand bridge, would need some careful planning, check how much clearence you will need to feed in the strings. Good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chops1983 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 You are right Wes. Does a fretboard on a les paul finish hard against the top? The reason im asking this is there is still a couple of mm's of neck material above the guitars body so he still has room to sink it down. Thats the only reason i thought of it that way. Correcting the neck angle will bring the strings closer and he may not have to sink the bridge. Whatever you do Blink make sure you are comfortable with it and have thought the process through. yeah, a lp fretboard does sit on the top... but that section of the top is angled too. This guitar has a flat top and the neck is already set lower than is normal for a bolt-on neck on a flat-top guitar... and thats without allowing for the fact a TOM is a good 4-5 mm taller than a hardtail you might normally see on guitars built this way see how high this strat neck sits off the body, the scratchplate make it look less so i still reckon th easiest fix will be to raise and angle the neck with a full pocket shim as well as sinking the bridge slightly.... but thats because i tend to think about how each change will affect the others. changing 3 things slightly means you wont have to create an extreme neck angle Yeah i see what ya mean wes. Good pic and explanation. I know which way id go but i don't want to influence Blink. He has got to make the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkknot Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hey blinkknot how are you going with it? If you read the preceeding discussion, you can see that you have a choice of two fixes, A. Build up the neck pocket with a tapered shim or shim composite and sink the bridge or B. Put an insert in the pocket and reroute an angle with ~ a 2 mm lift Both are good techniques that will give you a good looking and playing guitar. If you go with plan A, a really simple shim method is use about 3 pieces of thin hardwood veneer in a step arrangement. You can try a step at a time until you get the angle right and you can sand a smooth ramp or even use epoxy to fill in the steps to get good traction between the neck and the pocket. Sinking your baby grand bridge, would need some careful planning, check how much clearence you will need to feed in the strings. Good luck with it wow thanks for all the advice... i went with A in the end. it looks right now. i still had some veneer left which is 1mm thick so i filled the whole pocket with a piece and the ontop of that with half a piece of veneer. this gave me the right angle... i hope. ill post some pics once i bolted the neck back on. i wanted to stay away of doing anything to the finish. thats why i skipped sinking the bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hey that is great, I am glad it worked out for you and everything is back on track. And because you just used the first bit of Wez's method, he can only send me half a yah boo sucks Look forward to seeing more pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 actually i am willing to admit i probably wouldnt have sunk the bridge.... didnt realise we were talking about a baby grand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 after the dust settles it was guitar building that was the winner on the day..... let's never fight again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkknot Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) At last... its done! thanks for all the great advise and help. Edited January 20, 2009 by blinkknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick500 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Good work! Congrats. Love the black Baby Grand too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Awesome! I love it! How is the playability with the lower horn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkknot Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Awesome! I love it! How is the playability with the lower horn? its a bit tight, but its playable. Not a HUGE problem. When you try and shred on the lower notes thats when it starts to hassle, but still, not a biggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Wow, that looks terrific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foil1more Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Very nice. I like that bridge. It really adds to the look. I was going to use one but didn't want to have a neck angle. I ended up cutting a thin shim and angling it anyhow because I didn't feel like recessing my TOM. I also like seeing body shapes I've never seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthus Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Looks like the low E string is very close to the edge of the fretboard, while the high E is far away. Is this a picture issue, or a bridge issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar101 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 At last... its done! thanks for all the great advise and help. That really looks good. Great job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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