gonzosc1 Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I'm aware of Moses graphite necks but I have never even seen a Moses built guitar before. I knew they made them but never see them. So does anyone here know about their guitars and basses. good quality???? the reason I ask is that I found a Moses fretless jazz bass NT in an auction. so I'm wanting to get some review of them. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Umm..well I just went to their website...and I have to say those guitars and basses look hugely overpriced.They have zero aesthetic appeal. But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzosc1 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Umm..well I just went to their website...and I have to say those guitars and basses look hugely overpriced.They have zero aesthetic appeal. But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck. well, no more over priced then most other companies. gibson, I know all about over priced basses as I have 2 Warwicks,, lol Moses guitars are over priced as they are hard to come by. they don't make them for retail sale, customs only. I've played for 30+ years and never have seen one in person. aesthetics are truely in the eye of the beholder,,, a jazz bass is a jazz bass no matter who makes it as far as looks go. but what appeals to most are the little things that are done. a neck through jazz is rare for anyone to build. built it out of walnut adds more. the Bartolini's don't hurt either...LOL I can't believe more people here are not familar with the moses products. they have been around for a long time. their used necks sell for $$$ on ebay if your lucky enough to even get a chance to bid on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 So in other words,you already made up your mind and don't REALLY want to hear opinions unless they agree? I can't believe more people here are not familar with the moses products. Oh yeah...we are familiar with Moses and with the concept of graphite necks.I looked carefully at their products years ago,when all they had on site was necks,no instruments....and I discarded the idea years ago too. I see from visiting the site nothing has changed and the prices have not gone down on the necks...and they are still ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzosc1 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) So in other words,you already made up your mind and don't REALLY want to hear opinions unless they agree? I can't believe more people here are not familar with the moses products. Oh yeah...we are familiar with Moses and with the concept of graphite necks.I looked carefully at their products years ago,when all they had on site was necks,no instruments....and I discarded the idea years ago too. I see from visiting the site nothing has changed and the prices have not gone down on the necks...and they are still ugly. no I have not made up my mind, as I have run up on 3 different deals for basses in the past 2 weeks. I'm trying to make a choice as I don't have the money to buy all 3,,LOL 1st is a west germany 02 Warwick corvette std fretless 4 string I found for $500. 2nd is an 07 RIC 4003 played maybe twice as I know the guy selling it, $1000.. and last is this Moses fretless jazz bass which the price is up in the air at the moment, but looking like it could be had for around $300-$500... all 3 are great deals money wise.. but I do like the Moses necks as I did play one before....overpriced neck?? maybe but still in line with a new usa fender jazz neck price wise.. yes I wanted opinions from people who might have been lucky enough to play one of the Moses built guitars. I guess thats where the use of the word "review" would come in. I mean I could go to any chat room and hear from 1000+ people who have clicked on their web page and said, "over priced" not worth it..... is that the extent of your Moses facts, a web site???? I guess Rotosound bass strings would be out of the question for you also as they tent to run 30% higher then the aveage string price,,,lol what about Gibson, Hamer, RIC, Fender, and on and on,,, are all these overpriced wood products just not up to your standards??? LOL Edited October 25, 2008 by gonzosc1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 s that the extent of your Moses facts, a web site???? yup...said that before right here... But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck. I guess Rotosound bass strings would be out of the question for you also as they tent to run 30% higher then the aveage string price No..those are good strings...and they are no uglier than any other bass string.. what about Gibson, Hamer, RIC, Fender, and on and on,,, are all these overpriced wood products just not up to your standards??? sometimes...mostly I think I have not met a bass player yet that is up to my standards...you have not changed my opinion of them either If I were you,I would buy the cheapest one of those basses,as basses really don't matter tonewise anyway....that is why we guitarists turn the volume of you guys down....It really IS the best thing since you guys rarely know what key the song is in anyway. I wrote a bass line once...it made me feel all dirty...I had to shower and then I burned the bass...them my fingers for stooping so low as to touch a bass in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzosc1 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 s that the extent of your Moses facts, a web site???? yup...said that before right here... But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck. I guess Rotosound bass strings would be out of the question for you also as they tent to run 30% higher then the aveage string price No..those are good strings...and they are no uglier than any other bass string.. what about Gibson, Hamer, RIC, Fender, and on and on,,, are all these overpriced wood products just not up to your standards??? sometimes...mostly I think I have not met a bass player yet that is up to my standards...you have not changed my opinion of them either If I were you,I would buy the cheapest one of those basses,as basses really don't matter tonewise anyway....that is why we guitarists turn the volume of you guys down....It really IS the best thing since you guys rarely know what key the song is in anyway. I wrote a bass line once...it made me feel all dirty...I had to shower and then I burned the bass...them my fingers for stooping so low as to touch a bass in the first place. LOL, I take it that you rarely have anything worth saying at all after all that crap!... I'm lucky that I'm a bass player and have amp means to lay waste to any guitar rig known to man. a few little twangy 100w tube amps don't scare me LOL ,,, I'm sure it reflects other small things in your life, come on over to the dark side and see what a 2000 watts QSC rig will do for you, you once wrote a bass line,,, most fairy tales start like that,,, once upon a time!! as in most cases guitar players just can't handle writing bass lines. they can only handle 20-30 seconds at a time of indepenence as opposed to the bass which is indepenent for the whole song.. """" sometimes...mostly I think I have not met a bass player yet that is up to my standards...you have not changed my opinion of them either """" LOL thinking,, that must be a fairly new concept for you,, well, thats the whole deal about being a bass player,,, we compete against only ourselfs and seek not the approval of others. the only concern we have is the drum player,,, guitarist who??? we really don't need them...and find that most of them to be more over rated then the david lee roth wanta be singers... the cost of a primadonna guitar player would surely equal that of the whole west germany Warwick plant..LOL talk about overpriced ,LOL which brings us right back to square one of your first rant. the fact that you know nothing and need to let the world see this part of you!!! excuse me sir,,is that your ignorance showing? please tuck it in! LOL so lets get back to square one,,, moses. you looked at the site years ago and now again recently. you never have played a guitar with a Moses neck or a Moses made guitar, but you wish to say that they are junk or whatever word you choose. how did you reach this conclusion? based on what?,,, a friend of a friend of a friend!!! the price? like I said the necks are just about the same price as the US fender necks. not much more then a top Warmoth neck.. are we to come to the conclusion then from this logic, that the guitars you build are also junk as you would not even think of buying quality parts cause they are over priced? I mean I'm sure that a $5 30 year old rusty bridge would be just as good as a new tun-o-matic. I could see how using pine for the bodies would save you a few dimes even if they don't sound right,,,LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshvegas Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 fight fight fight fight fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzosc1 Posted October 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 fight fight fight fight fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshvegas Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I dunno wes getting a girl to sit on a massive bass rig while you jamb out some serious low frequency..... best use of a stringed instrument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I dunno wes getting a girl to sit on a massive bass rig while you jamb out some serious low frequency..... best use of a stringed instrument? Now you are speaking my language... But in reality I can do that with my Engl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshvegas Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) I dunno wes getting a girl to sit on a massive bass rig while you jamb out some serious low frequency..... best use of a stringed instrument? Now you are speaking my language... But in reality I can do that with my Engl... well by carrying out a series of experiments I shall research what is better a bass or guitar. now to find a guineapig hopefully I won't have to use an actual guineapig Edited October 26, 2008 by joshvegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 won't And by "won't" you really mean "will"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 LOL, I take it that you rarely have anything worth saying at all after all that crap!... Are you speaking to me...should I add that to my signature? ... I like some of the idea of the moses graphite neck thing...back in the day...but I think that the graphite reinforced wooden necked things have got the concept beat in this day and age...it if is built right. Steinberger did a similar thing with graphite guitars...but they lacked alittle soul and all came out of the same mold. The even no dead notes bass neck is possible with carbon reinforced wooden necks and allows for custom work, finishing and other options that the moses concept just doesn't allow....but each to their own... I like the idea of using alternative materials and methods...but there is a reason that these things haven't taken off in the mainstream and that you rarely see them about and it is not so much a matter of scarcity or price...amongst the top players, some of those other brands have a far bigger following. There are a lot of bass builders around here lately...maybe they could add more to the debate... Few have as amusing reparte' as you do though... ...welcome aboard... pete oh yeah...where were we...that's right... fight fight fight fight fight! come over to the Misc life thread...hehehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Steinberger did a similar thing with graphite guitars...but they lacked alittle soul and all came out of the same mold. Actually they lack alot of soul...I ordered one back at that time....it was dead as Prince's fashion sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Steinberger did a similar thing with graphite guitars...but they lacked alittle soul and all came out of the same mold. Actually they lack alot of soul...I ordered one back at that time....it was dead as Prince's fashion sense... +1 I've had a Steinberger since 1989 and I almost never play it anymore. I never really liked the EMGs they put in them either. They're just as soul-less. Just as importantly, their neck is very narrow. Listen gonzo... if you're looking to start a fight, Wes isn't the right one to start one with. You asked for opinions from anyone with any exlerience. He told you what experience he had, then gave you his opinion. I DO have esperience with graphite necks. $300+ is way overpriced and the tone is sterile. A better way for you to spend your money is on a tutor for grammar, punctuation, and message-board etiquette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzosc1 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Steinberger did a similar thing with graphite guitars...but they lacked alittle soul and all came out of the same mold. Actually they lack alot of soul...I ordered one back at that time....it was dead as Prince's fashion sense... +1 I've had a Steinberger since 1989 and I almost never play it anymore. I never really liked the EMGs they put in them either. They're just as soul-less. Just as importantly, their neck is very narrow. Listen gonzo... if you're looking to start a fight, Wes isn't the right one to start one with. You asked for opinions from anyone with any exlerience. He told you what experience he had, then gave you his opinion. I DO have esperience with graphite necks. $300+ is way overpriced and the tone is sterile. A better way for you to spend your money is on a tutor for grammar, punctuation, and message-board etiquette. Welcome to Reading Comprehension 101, please take your seats! oh lord, here we go again... first off Westhemann never said he had experience with the necks at the start of this topic. """go back and read it for yourself""" he said he looked at the site a few years ago and then just recently looked again when I posted the topic...thats all he said about it,, so I questioned him and we got started on this whole thing. while at the same time saying thats all the experience he had. he never said he owned a guitar with this type neck!!! when he was asked if the web site was all that he knew about it, he comfirmed with a yes! I asked for people who knew and at that time he made it clear that he did "not". his most recent post shows that he does have some experience with the necks as "he ordered one back at that time",,,so why didn't he just say that???? and it would have been done and over with. I would have taken his advise, I had no reason to doubt him as he has been here for awhile. I find his post to be infomative most the time and have never seen him post like this before. did he just want to start crap??,, maybe he was board and wanted a flame war just for the hell of it...I don't know.. Westhemann has gotten over it and so have I. as we have not flamed each other since then. why do you feel the need to come to his rescue? he's a big boy and we have let it pass. get over it. as far as opinion goes, I did accept someone's on this topic. PSW, thank you. his opinion was infomative and presented well. right to the point, with comparatives of old and new technologies. why was this so hard for everyone else? as a result, I did not buy the bass in question. LOL,,, a tutor for grammer, punctuation. message board etiquette???????????? why, so I can look down my nose at you like you are doing to me.. when you can't even comprehend what you read!! sorry I'm not stuck on myself that much. by the way, spend some of your money on those lessons yourself.. its "experience",,,not "esperience" as you spelled it!!! in the interest of letting this die and be done, I will let you have the last word on it if you choose. lets see just how good your etiquette is! can you admit when you are wrong? I won't say another word on it.. Thank you P.S. Westhemann, if we have gotten off on the wrong foot I am sorry about that. Edited October 28, 2008 by gonzosc1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 There's an etiquette? Anyway...a little fun I'm sure... Reasonable question, variety of answers...that's the way it goes...no offense should be taken nor given...at least nothing that hasn't been said before and can't be gotten over... Welcome again to PG...now that's etiquette! Oh...can we start up the grammar and spelling police thread again then, 'cause gonzo's post is the least of the concerns around here lately...are people honestly posting from their phones or something... pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 personally i would have brought the bass... price seemed good, worth a punt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Westhemann has gotten over it and so have I This is true... Westhemann, if we have gotten off on the wrong foot I am sorry about that. Don't worry about it...I find myself hilarious and I find many things in life humorous...including this... Honestly though...you should have posted the price of the bass in the first post...I would have said Hell yeah!..$300 is cheap. did he just want to start crap??,, maybe he was board and wanted a flame war just for the hell of it Let's be honest now...who was starting crap?I posted my "experience" as nobody else was doing so,and you started in on me immediately...I did tell you I was basing it on nothing more than price and aesthetics... I have never had a Moses neck...I had a Steinberger graphite thingamajigger for just a little while...I got rid of it almost immediately...it was flat and dead.I suspect the Moses necks may be the same...but you are playing bass,maybe it would suit you better. Anyway..I don't care...but don't post asking an opinion if you are not ready for ALL opinions...agreed?You come across as a bit of a troll...but I think you are just naturally hot tempered and argumentative...but so am I...but for the record I could kill you in a debate...that is clear..ask anyone who was here before my hiatus three years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 By the way...Bass amps have to be higher wattage to produce the same volume of a lower watt guitar amp...because of the heavier speakers,etc... Or did you think they just put out those high watt amps for no reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshvegas Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) By the way...Bass amps have to be higher wattage to produce the same volume of a lower watt guitar amp...because of the heavier speakers,etc... Or did you think they just put out those high watt amps for no reason? also because bass sounds horrible distorted with a few exceptions! asnd human hearing is not desigend to pick up low frequency well so its need to put our a higher spl to be heard at a similar perceived volume. surely forum etiquette is netiquette? Edited October 29, 2008 by joshvegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) Like Wes, I gave my opinion, just like you asked for. I have experience with graphite necks, and I still own my Steinberger, so my opinion was formed over 10 years of hands-on. You're free to reject the opinion all you want. But like Wes said, don't come here asking for opinioins then start arguing with us when it's not what you wanted to hear. The fact is that since the initial response, you've been argumentative and belittling. You get what you give, and you've been giving off a lot of attitude right from the get-go. If you want to get along here, or on any forum for that matter, you'll need to learn to be a LOT less aggressive. And for the record, I wasn't trying to defend Wes. I was trying to give you a little advice. Don't take it - I could care less - but your holier-than-thou attitude isn't going to get you very far. Edited October 29, 2008 by avengers63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gonzosc1 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 By the way...Bass amps have to be higher wattage to produce the same volume of a lower watt guitar amp...because of the heavier speakers,etc... Or did you think they just put out those high watt amps for no reason? this is true, thats why I opted for a PA system as a bass amp instead of a regular bass amp... finished the rig last month, its a bone crusher. Sansamp PSA preamp TC Electronic triple C compresser BBE 882 2- Digitech Quads. multi-effects FCB1010 midi pedal 2-QSC amps 2-118 cabs 2-410 cabs all for the glory of Warwick lowend,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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