Page_Master Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 hi all i am have an argument with my friend about retainers. now i am saying retainers are necessary on floyd equiped guitars, pegheaded or straight headed. and as they are present in most floyd guitars. now he is saying they are pointless. what does everyone think about reatainers on floyd equpied axes? Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 you mean the retention nut at the top? I'm almost positive it would be very difficult to get any decent intonation otherwise. Its not like they're an inordinate amount of dough anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEdwardJones Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 Depends on the guitar. On some guitars they provide downward pressure on the strings to keep them from going super sharp when the nut is locked (or, believe it or not, just plain popping out of the nut). But I own a couple of guitars without them with fairly extreme peghead angles and putting one on those would be a waste of time. So, to answer your question. For the most part they sever a purpose, but they are not, in any way, NECESSARY. Also they have nothing to do with intonation. Intonation only affects what occurs between the nut and the bridge. If your lock nut is in proper working order you can cut the headstock off and continue playing in tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 I think they are very nice to have. Without them, locking the nut would likely result in a significant change in tuning (by going sharp). I guess if the headstock angles back more than the nut angle, they may not provide any use in this regard. My guitars don't have this steep of an angle, so the retainers are needed. I don't think I understand the comment about intonation earilier in this thread. The retainers would never affect the intonation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 stupid debates i have with my friend. they are always questions like that - really thin bordered i call them. it kind of reminds how in seinfeld, george and jerry's bald friend [no, not george, another dude] fight over a car park in front of jerry's apartment, they are there for hours arguing over who was there first. even the people around them start arguing over who got the car space first. anyway, thanx for the help, it is always appreciated. Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 just buy one its not like they're very expensive. like 15-20 bucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEdwardJones Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 just buy one its not like they're very expensive. like 15-20 bucks I don't think that was the point. I think it was just an argument about nothing for the sake of an argument about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 retainers hold down the strings to conform to the shape of the locking nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 well i did mention seinfeld so yeah, it is an argument about nothing. Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazyderek Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 definitly needed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 cheers D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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