schnarf Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Truss_rods/Car...rbon_Fiber.html I bought a nice piece of birdseye maple today, to be used in a neck-through guitar. The piece warped slightly, and I had it planed to fix this a bit. How effective are these rods, what are the downsides, if any, how much heavier will they make the neck, and do I have any need for them? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northendem Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Well a problem would be Birds-eye maple. it is weaker than 1/4 sawn maple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarf Posted August 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Well a problem would be Birds-eye maple. it is weaker than 1/4 sawn maple So the neck rod might be a good idea? I know that it can at least be used for a guitar neck; the EBMM Petrucci Signature has birdseye maple for the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Jabsco Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 In a guitar tutorial westhemann did he used 2 carbon fiber rods, with a truss rod. I THINK he may have used eaither birdseye maple, or flame maple for the neck. How much warp is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarf Posted August 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 In a guitar tutorial westhemann did he used 2 carbon fiber rods, with a truss rod. I THINK he may have used eaither birdseye maple, or flame maple for the neck. How much warp is there? There was very little, just a very slight bow. I'm just going to set a heavy object on it for a bit and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 In a guitar tutorial westhemann did he used 2 carbon fiber rods, with a truss rod. I THINK he may have used eaither birdseye maple, or flame maple for the neck. How much warp is there? Where's the link, I don't remember seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 i used walnut and mahogany on that guitar if i remember off the top of my head right birdseye is suitable,even without reinforcement...i think more likely you just surfaced one side without surfacing the other,or your wood blank may have been slightly damp still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4599 the link is here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Oh ok,,,, now I remember.. how did that guitar turn out? The only time I don't use carbon fiber rods is in quartersawn maple, which sometimes I think even then they should be used in it also. One thing you need to really consider is that you want the carbon rods to be as close as you can get to center, or if your carving your neck, you might end up going into the rods. Which I can tell ya, will make you sick at your stomach. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Well a problem would be Birds-eye maple. it is weaker than 1/4 sawn maple So what about if the birdseye IS quarter sawn maple???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Oh ok,,,, now I remember.. how did that guitar turn out? it is still in it's unfinished state...i am starting to have a better money flow so i should be able to get back to it soon...after i finish my 7 string,which is only waiting on tuners and a couple of other odds and ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Perry touches on a good point, and if it was mine I'd put carbon fiber rods in Birdseye since it's so unstable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Perry touches on a good point, and if it was mine I'd put carbon fiber rods in Birdseye since it's so unstable. i don't recall birdseye being unstable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Oh ok,,,, now I remember.. how did that guitar turn out? it is still in it's unfinished state...i am starting to have a better money flow so i should be able to get back to it soon...after i finish my 7 string,which is only waiting on tuners and a couple of other odds and ends Oh ok.. that's cool.. I know what you mean by money problems. lol.. Guitar building does cost alot no matter what anyone will tell you, but man it's fun. Can't wait to see the 7 string, what kinda tuners are you gonna use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Downside is that sometimes it makes the neck so that the truss-rod nut can't push the neck more straight by itself, you have to help the neck with your hands, or a clamp set-up, while tightening the t-rod nut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Oh ok,,,, now I remember.. how did that guitar turn out? it is still in it's unfinished state...i am starting to have a better money flow so i should be able to get back to it soon...after i finish my 7 string,which is only waiting on tuners and a couple of other odds and ends Oh ok.. that's cool.. I know what you mean by money problems. lol.. Guitar building does cost alot no matter what anyone will tell you, but man it's fun. Can't wait to see the 7 string, what kinda tuners are you gonna use? gotoh minis if i remember what i ordered correctly....you will see it soon enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Yeah Soap that's true. It will make the neck stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarf Posted August 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Ok, so the general consensus is that I should get two carbon fiber neck rods and position them very close to the truss rod cavity? Which size do I get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazyderek Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I beleive they're about the same, although i've always thought that the 1/8x3/8 rods offer the best stiffness as they're taller, but the 0.200x1/4 rods are required if you're doing a thin neck (not as tall) , but also require the special stew mac router bit. oh and just incase you're wondering... 18" is the only size that will fit a guitar neck.. 24" is for a baritone, or bass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeli Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 And about the weight question, they don't add nothing to the weight of the neck, they are lighter than wood, so you'll probably end ut with a lighter neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 You dont need carbon fibre in maple necks. Name a big company thats doing ti standard, then show me proof they are having problems with the necks not being string enough. Guitarfrenzy.... that wasnt my point at all, it was that birdseye can be flat or quarter sawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarf Posted August 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 You dont need carbon fibre in maple necks. Name a big company thats doing ti standard, then show me proof they are having problems with the necks not being string enough. Guitarfrenzy.... that wasnt my point at all, it was that birdseye can be flat or quarter sawn. I don't believe the wood is quarter-sawn. Would you put the rods in if it weren't quarter-sawn. I want to be safe, but at the same time I don't want to drop $40 on carbon fiber and the router bit if I don't have to. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 You dont need carbon fibre in maple necks. Name a big company thats doing ti standard, then show me proof they are having problems with the necks not being string enough. Guitarfrenzy.... that wasnt my point at all, it was that birdseye can be flat or quarter sawn. Are you sure? I've been heard a number of experienced wood types (including Larry Davis I think) state quite emphatically that birdseye figure is only evident in flatsawn maple. I guess in a neck the eyes would show anyway given the profile of the neck, but on a flat board like a drop top...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northendem Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Well a problem would be Birds-eye maple. it is weaker than 1/4 sawn maple So what about if the birdseye IS quarter sawn maple???? I read somewhere that exotic woods are a bit weaker than plain Hard Rock 1/4 sawn maple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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