psw Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Great stuff...still would have liked to see a bit more of a "tang" but the black is starting to work for me, I think the clear will bring it out and does contrast nicely with the woods... I'm really intrigued by the fretboard and binding...I noticed we haven't seen a full shot of the whole thing...guess I'll just have to hold on for that...but it is really very, very impressive...thanks for sharing...now get some sleep...pete!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. pierce Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Russ, this is probably one of my favorite builds I've seen in the time that I've been at this forum. Simply terrific. Everytime I open this thread I'm blown away. This guitar is so different, yet so classy. If it weren't for the respect of other builders (especially those with so much more talent) I'd be trying to plan a knock off of it right now! And when you finish this thing, we want gratuitous shots from every possible angle! A couple of quick questions: You mention using a sealer to protect the purfling (and I assume the natural wood at the edge too?) from the dye - what dye did you use, and what sealer? I've been experimenting with this and haven't had any luck - maybe I didn't use enough sealer, but my experiments didn't work out. (The dye still buggered the sealed wood) Also, why remove the sealer afterwards? Also - the purfling on the fingerboard - do you simply further undercut the fret tang here before applying it? Or cut the purfling just shy of the slots and inlay many many small pieces? If it's the small pieces method, do you stop these pieces under the frets but shy of the slots, or remove the barbs from the tang in this section? I've always wanted to do this, it looks so classy, but I haven't really been able to find any info on how folks do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted February 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Thanks guys. Your support is a seriously awesome motivator. And when you finish this thing, we want gratuitous shots from every possible angle! I promise you the most gratuitous guitar pron my digi cam is capable of capturing. You mention using a sealer to protect the purfling (and I assume the natural wood at the edge too?) from the dye - what dye did you use, and what sealer? I've been experimenting with this and haven't had any luck - maybe I didn't use enough sealer, but my experiments didn't work out. (The dye still buggered the sealed wood) Also, why remove the sealer afterwards? The dye I use is stewmac's colortone dye. I know I had said it wasn't working for me. I was originally getting purple from using black. I later realized that you just have to put down a shockingly large amount of the black dye to get it to actually look black. The sealer I'm using is also from stewmac. It's called behlen vinyl sealer. I like it because it's pretty thin, and it tacks up in about 15 minutes and is totally dry within an hour. Here's the method I use: first I cover all of the binding and surrounding area with white masking tape(I use it because it's semi transparent), then I use a razor to expose only the binding. I also leave the base of the neck exposed. I lightly brush on about four coats of the vinyl sealer. Coverage is critical here, so use as many coats as it takes to make you feel comfortable. Once it is tacked, I removed the tape. Once it is dry, I dye the top. The key to not ruining your sealing job is to not apply too much dye at once. Also, wipe towards the middle of the guitar so you're never catching the edge of the sealer. This method didn't even work 100% perfectly for me. What you do once your dye is dry, is go around the guitar with a rag dampened with paint thinner and gently wipe down your sealed binding. If any binding/purfling still has some dye on it, use a razor blade to carefully scrape that away. I then spray a few light coats of sealer over the whole body(called washcoats) to get consistent coverage in order to avoid any color blotches. After this, you would do your grainfilling etc. Also - the purfling on the fingerboard - do you simply further undercut the fret tang here before applying it? Or cut the purfling just shy of the slots and inlay many many small pieces? If it's the small pieces method, do you stop these pieces under the frets but shy of the slots, or remove the barbs from the tang in this section? I've always wanted to do this, it looks so classy, but I haven't really been able to find any info on how folks do this What I did for this was make sure that there was a joint in the MOP underneath every fret. There wasn't enough room for a fret tang, that's too dangerous imho, you run the risk of cutting too short and having the fret not cover it at all. The joint is simply there so that it won't crack when pressure is applied from fretting. So , I do nip the tang so that the top of the fret just lies on the purfling and binding. This is ok though, because when I'm fretting, I bend the edge of the nipped fret over the side of the fretboard and put a drop of super glue on each end. The super glue is really a good practice in any situation when you're nipping the tang. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 My first burst. Fortunately, the only place I had a heavy hand was directly below where the pickguard will be...shew(that's what a sigh of relief sounds like). In a few minutes I remove the masking/pinstripe tape, then I spray a few more coats of clear, then I wait. Good times. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) Very nice Personally I would have liked a nice bright orange or a cari burst (I've never been one for black guitars). But it still looks great! Can't wait to see it done Edited March 2, 2006 by Godin SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american_jesus Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 wow...that looks beautiful. the only thing i think that would make it look nicer, is just clearcoated the natural wood. i think that would look amazing. as it is, the black is very nice looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 (I've never been one for black guitars). Me neither ...until now. When I was designing this guitar, I new the first one had to be a black burst. This is the first guitar I've built where the color I wanted was obvious to me. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Damn! That's lookin' REAL nice. You should really go into business making and selling glued up 12 top blanks! I'd buy one! As for all you people saying "I woulda done this...", screw that! This thing looks great. Chris PS: I woulda used a form of hardtail! hahahahaha (ah the hypocrasy.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 JUST NUTS MAN!!! I love it !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Thanks matt. I can't wait to get this thing up and running. Expect to see it in the april GOTM thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Like as in the GOTM that's going on now? Or as in a THREAD in April that's active (ie: the may GOTM)? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yes, as in the gotm that's going on now(that kind of turn around makes you never want to use nitro again, doesn't it?). Don't worry, it'll be safe for you to enter the may gotm. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 What finish are you using? I diddn't catch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 two pack. This time i had to spray it in an open field in a makeshift booth as I've not yet gotten my spray booth together. I use a dual canistar mask with organic vapor cartridges and dust filters as well as a full body suit and goggles. It's not preferable. The stuff is pretty strong and i didn't catch a wiff of it, so i felt comfortable spraying it like that. I'll be really happyto get my spraybooth together in this house i'm moving into though(I'm putting in a fan from grainger in that'll fully evacuate a 8x8x8 room in about 5 seconds ). We don't need to make this into a "two pack and no spray booth?!" episode. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 We don't need to make this into a "two pack and no spray booth?!" episode. I had no intention to. I just saw the that kind of turn around makes you never want to use nitro again, doesn't it? and wonderd what you we're using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 that's my "friend" garehan poking fun at the MEU (my guitar).Thanks a bunch! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't know. He'll have to go up against me Than we'll see who the true champion is. (or maybe I don't wan't to know ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Well, godin, you might as well be invited to the 2pack spray party once i get my booth up and running. I know chris has the itch to come and try it. As for the meu, I'm thiking you should make one out of 2x4's. Since it's a whopping 14" wide, you would redefine the phrase "fatty, fatty 2 by 4." hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 In the meantime...I could have sworn I just saw something yellow come along and eat the top off of your avatar... It's not that late, so that's not it. And I don't do drugs...sooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yeah, packman ate him. Crazy icons from the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lietuvis Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 (edited) Waaaaaooooohhahooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww....... Mhh-hhm, I like this guitar. Edited March 2, 2006 by Lietuvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted March 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 ummmm kinda hard to see. could you maybe get up some better pics when you get a chance? I know black guitars are very hard to photograph, but it's really hard to look at something you can't see very good in the pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Better lighting for a body shot would rock. I can't really see the grain too well. All together, the guitar looks extremely professional. A very neat one of a kind look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokeros Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) EDIT: (Deleted) Edited March 12, 2006 by rokeros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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