feylya Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Hopefully a couple of people can help me out here. My dad thinks that he could build a better sounding amp than a marshall for less. So I'm trying to find various components and their prices at the moment (specifically speakers, Celestions if possible). Any help would, as always, be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsl602000 Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 I agree.... you can build a better amp than a Marshall, but I doubt you can do it cheaper..... Your best bet would be to buy an old amp and rebuild it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 10, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Example - a 2X12 Marshall 80W Valvestate combo, €450. Mr Father says he could build a cheaper & better one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 When he does, I'd like to see a tutorial I'm sure if he has that much confidence then he probably can. If he is going to be able to pull it off, he should be the one doing the legwork unless he already has a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 If he does every do it, I'll try and get him to do a tutorial on it. He keeps saying to me that it'd be cheaper to get the cab and speakers and let him build the head/electronic bit. Problem is, he's less than in tune (sic) with guitars and amps and stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckguitarist Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Speakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_v_l Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 will this help , i didn't really read all of it but hope fully it will help http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/ampbasic.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Try here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Thanks for the help guys. I don't suppose anyone knows anywhere in England or Ireland that sell This Cab?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezerboy Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 you can buy it here... http://www.intasound.com/proaudio/index.as...?department=261 its an english website. good luck and try not to get electrocuted in the process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 12, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 good luck and try not to get electrocuted in the process! Cheers and good advice. One more question - What features should I get thrown in here? I'll have at least 2 channels, possibly 4, switchable fx loop, and hopefully a tube pre-amp in it. Can any one else think of any good ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 A reverb tank and line in and line out are handy, also why don't you try adding some kind of built in fx like from an old stomp box! That would rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 12, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Don't really have any old stomp boxes lying around tbh. Line in/out eh? Intersting. I probably will end up adding a reverb tank (If I ever can afford to build it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nor Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Here's a few... Uncle Spot Ampwares Guitar Parts.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckguitarist Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Give it a finish like this one! Then make a strat covered in tolex!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Give it a finish like this one! Then make a strat covered in tolex!... Hmm, interesting on both counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YDoesGodMockMeSo Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Theres a bunch of sites with schematics to all sorts of amps. *My opinion* build one of those. And then modify it. http://www.drtube.com/guitamp.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnuk Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Feylya, does you dad know much about electronics already? I wanted to try building my own tube amp from scratch and if you want anything of a decent quality it's suprisingly tricky! At first I thought... "It's electronics right!? It must follow a simple set of rules!"... but tube circuits seem to decide otherwise and a lot of the things I read felt more like "Add this because it needs this here, but not there, or here because that would make such and such go to here and then there". It seemed to remind me of a famous clock builder who built clocks by layering fixes to problems he encouted on top of each other, rather than fixing the problems before they became serious enough to need it. Everything seems to effect everything else in some way or another. Undoubtedly your dad could build one cheaper than Marshall if he really wanted to, but finding all the parts and putting all the effort into it may outweigh paying Marshall to do it for you. Marshall, after all, have suppliers shipping them boxes full of resistors and capacitors for hundred of amps at a time. Sometimes buying individual components can be a lot more effort. There is quite a drastic step up in component cost for their relative quality as well. A normal audio component, say a filter capacitor, might cost you 5 pounds. But the next stage up is audiophile grade which will cost more like 50 or 100 pounds, for one capacitor. Black Gate capacitors are an example. As well as these dudes... http://www.audionote.co.uk/ Vastly expensive, but absolutely beautifully made components and systems. If your dad goes for it out of fun I'd suggest picking up an old Marshall schematic from here: http://www.marshallschematics.com/ I have the 2210 and love it. But you can buy them for about 250 - 450 pounds so making one new for less may be tricky. Building an amp is something I've always wanted to do though so I can see why he wants to! All the best and good luck! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted October 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Basically, he has a degree in Physics, ran an electronics compayn for several years and was head electronic engine in the main television company in Ireland for about 20 years so he knows a bit. He'll be building a solid state poweramp and probably a tueb preamp. I'll have to talk to him at length at some stage (possibly tomorrow) about everything and see how things would work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnuk Posted October 17, 2003 Report Share Posted October 17, 2003 Looks like you may soon have an amp! I bet you could make most Marshalls sound twice as good if you ripped off one of their schematics and then fitted higher quality parts to it. Something to perhaps look into if you're able to have one made for you. Higher quality parts usually mean better reproduction of what you're actually inputting and better filtering or efficiency. I just posted this on another thread but you might not have seen it. http://www.gerhartamps.com/gilmorejr/build...jr_builders.htm I have had people tell me their neighbours have asked them to turn down home made amps running on a 9v battery. I don't know if this amp is you thing but it's something I've thought about trying. As I said in the other thread, I really like the clip labeled SD1/808, but there is a guy on there who's modified his for a Marshall Plexi / Van Halen type sound. Cool clip: http://www.gerhartamps.com/gilmorejr/build...ric_nelson2.mp3 Van Halen like clip: http://members.cox.net/musicfiles/modfullvol2.mp3 Kind regards! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 if ou need any tubes let me know i got alsorts of 12ax7's and some others that are the same pinout and gain as teh 12ax7 many different names of them i even got a few pencil tubes coming in ie the 6021's like the nano head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feylya Posted April 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 As mentioned in another thread, I haven't updated this since October. Basically, I got impatient and pissed off with playing through a 10W Ibanez so I just bought an 80W amp for ?166. Might still see about building one for the craic but not for a long time. Thanks everyone for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhenley Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Hi, I just saw your post on this topic. Last year I built a very nice tube amp using the High Octane schematics on the http://www.ax84.com website. They have links to manufacturers and a forum that has a lot of people that will help. It was not particularly cheap but well worth it. Has a great sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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