Peter Green Pickups

[flickoflash]

I heard these Peter Green pickups & wonder if they should be Jimmy page pickups as it nails his sound '''''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKCYj8QSrAU

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/tonefreaks...vertones-3.html

Edited November 4, 2007 by flickoflash

[David Schwab]

I heard these Peter Green pickups & wonder if they should be Jimmy page pickups as it nails his sound

Which Jimmy Page sound? He used his Tele on a lot of things, like the solo on Stairway...

I guess you mean his "blues" tone?

[White Summer]

those open chords perfectly replicated angus

[flickoflash]

I heard these Peter Green pickups & wonder if they should be Jimmy page pickups as it nails his sound

Which Jimmy Page sound? He used his Tele on a lot of things, like the solo on Stairway...

I guess you mean his "blues" tone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9i2fqxSjTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZumbzfzpc

Edited November 4, 2007 by flickoflash

[crafty]

*yawn*

I'll keep my DiMarzio's for half the price...

[flickoflash]

*yawn*

I'll keep my DiMarzio's for half the price...

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/cellar/178....html#post32309

[David Schwab]

How about this.. I'd rather get my sound, and let Jimmy keep his.

[SwedishLuthier]

In his original -59 (I think it was a 59…) LP Jimmy Page threw in at last 4 mini switches, mounted on the under side of the pickguard. With those he could split and phase shift both his pickups. With that he could get a lot of sound from one guitar, emulating something similar to his Tele and Dan-o too.

Now what the heck has happened to the resent Peter Green craze? I haven’t heard his name mentioned in like 20 years, and suddenly everybody should do that silly “Peter Green” mod. Only because some one showed “the secret recipe” on Youtube. What a secret. I have known about the flipped magnet for like 25 years!!!! That has never ever been a secret!!! But if you repeat something over the internet (like I have the biggest news ever! I ‘m gonna tell you a secret! No one knows!) people are so easily fooled and starts to believe this. To tell you how “out in the open” this “secret” is I’m gonna tell you were I learned it from. From my very first “learn how to play electric guitar” book in the beginning of the 80s. They explained various artists’ styles and the keys to their sound. And Peter Green were there alongside Ace, Page, Hendrix and every one else. Complete with description on the out of phase sound.

[David Schwab]

Now what the heck has happened to the resent Peter Green craze? I haven’t heard his name mentioned in like 20 years, and suddenly everybody should do that silly “Peter Green” mod.

It's called "marketing". This same person has been hawking these videos over at the MLP forum.

Everyone got cool tones back then... look at Mic Ronson. Gear has changed, and so have playing styles. Everyone uses a lot of gain now, and you loose those old tones.

Peter Green was a fine player, but I'd rather listen to Gary Green!

Edited November 6, 2007 by David Schwab

[flickoflash]

In his original -59 (I think it was a 59…) LP Jimmy Page threw in at last 4 mini switches, mounted on the under side of the pickguard. With those he could split and phase shift both his pickups. With that he could get a lot of sound from one guitar, emulating something similar to his Tele and Dan-o too.

Now what the heck has happened to the resent Peter Green craze? I haven’t heard his name mentioned in like 20 years, and suddenly everybody should do that silly “Peter Green” mod. Only because some one showed “the secret recipe” on Youtube. What a secret. I have known about the flipped magnet for like 25 years!!!! That has never ever been a secret!!! But if you repeat something over the internet (like I have the biggest news ever! I ‘m gonna tell you a secret! No one knows!) people are so easily fooled and starts to believe this. To tell you how “out in the open” this “secret” is I’m gonna tell you were I learned it from. From my very first “learn how to play electric guitar” book in the beginning of the 80s. They explained various artists’ styles and the keys to their sound. And Peter Green were there alongside Ace, Page, Hendrix and every one else. Complete with description on the out of phase sound.

No disrespect but what if I told you that the way that pickup was partially rewound & what wire was used the magnet being flipped or not flipped is exactly the same either way & makes no difference. I know that is the common belief & his pickup being flipped makes no difference either & was most likely done cause they thought it would be a simple fix for the out of phase . once you know how it was done it is like one of those Homer Doh! moments

[SwedishLuthier]

The flipped magnet is part of the legend of those pickups. The legend also says that the neck pickup is out of phase electrically. And yet another part of the legend is this repair “gone wrong”. What I addressed was three things.

1 You will never get a Jimmy Page tone, even if you used Peter Green’s personal guitar. Ever! That was not the way Jimmy Page used his LP. Period

2 The other part was the silly Peter Green mod craze that has filled up the LP forum, the pickup makers forum, youtube and what ever. It would be nice to not let that silliness into this forum, because:

3 You will not get Peter Green’s sound either. Even with his personal guitar. Simply because you are not Peter Green. That is the secret (being Peter Green).

Now that we have covered this I would be very interesting to take part of your first hand information about those/that legendary pickups/guitar as you must have access to them/it. Or how would you ever be able to say that you *know* how it was done?

And BTW, I personally don’t think that the sound of that youtube WB Pickups / PG Burst Pickups clip is very impressing at all.

Edited November 7, 2007 by SwedishLuthier

[flickoflash]

The flipped magnet is part of the legend of those pickups. The legend also says that the neck pickup is out of phase electrically. And yet another part of the legend is this repair “gone wrong”. What I addressed was three things.

_{again yes to those who seen it with out taking it apart the magnet may or not be flipped & i regress it doesnt matter how that magnets is flipped due to how the ( coil was wound )} 1 You will never get a Jimmy Page tone, even if you used Peter Green’s personal guitar. Ever! That was not the way Jimmy Page used his LP. Period

_{( that was my opinion & believe the video shows how it nails the Black dog tone)}

2 The other part was the silly Peter Green mod craze that has filled up the LP forum, the pickup makers forum, youtube and what ever. It would be nice to not let that silliness into this forum, because:

_{why is this ? I feel there if lots of educated people here you may find it interesting such as the guys in the sustainer thread & if not they are not forced to read the thread & those that do read I would hope would be respectful}

3 You will not get Peter Green’s sound either. Even with his personal guitar. Simply because you are not Peter Green. That is the secret (being Peter Green).

_{Yes this is correct nor would I want to sound like Peter Green but some may want more tonal options from their guitars or a another winder may be inspired to try a different approach to his craft}

Now that we have covered this I would be very interesting to take part of your first hand information about those/that legendary pickups/guitar as you must have access to them/it. Or how would you ever be able to say that you *know* how it was done?

_{The true recipe for these were given to WB by someone who had the guitar in hand & showed documenting proof & first hand knowledge of what was really done & has proof of them playing with the likes of Moore/ clapton but wishes NOT to be mentioned}

And BTW, I personally don’t think that the sound of that youtube WB Pickups / PG Burst Pickups clip is very impressing at all.

_{That is your opinion & why the U-tube is posted to let individials decide & judge for themselves cause peoples likes & dislikes is personal & I am glad no one lets one persons opinion mine noe yours sway them they can think for themselves RIGHT ?}

Edited November 7, 2007 by flickoflash

[SwedishLuthier]

_{why is this ? I feel there if lots of educated people here you may find it interesting such as the guys in the sustainer thread & if not they are not forced to read the thread & those that do read I would hope would be respectful}

The silliness comes from the market BS surrounding those and other Peter Green clone pickups. As long as you’re not Peter Green, you will never sound like Peter Green. The same thing with Jimmy Page.

_{( that was my opinion & believe the video shows how it nails the Black dog tone)}

And IMHO that sound is far away from the Black Dog sound. Compare the “black dog” sound of the WB pup with the live clip of Black dog. Not even close. Overtones mid, higs, lows, everything differs. And to my knowledge the pickup was supposed to deliver the Peter Green sound, remember…

_{The true recipe for these were given to WB by someone who had the guitar in hand & showed documenting proof & first hand knowledge of what was really done & has proof of them playing with the likes of Moore/ clapton but wishes NOT to be mentioned}

_{And that is what I call big time marketing BS. “Someone that wishes to be anonymous have passed on the holy grail of pickup knowledge to me and only me” or something like that. WB: and everyone else: Stop trying to fool people out there! Be proud of your stuff and market them for what they are. Nice sounding pickups! Don’t try to piggyback some old famous player that is now too demented to know what happened to his guitar.}

_{And as you are so certain that you have the facts on all the factors that give this “magic” sound that must mean that WB has passed that knowledge on to you. Or are you WB yourself? In that case this thread starts to look like spam.}

[Xanthus]

I just want to know how much they're paying you to come on here and fill up our valuable forum space

[flickoflash]

I just want to know how much they're paying you to come on here and fill up our valuable forum space

nothing , as far posting are all you folks on this forum so friendly?( since posting I have seen some of your names on other forums wondering if all you do is go around posting negative posts). Think i started the post about PG pickups but I thought they nailed the JP sound .I am not trying to force feed you anything agree with me or not but but lay off the slap

[borge]

i think people on the forum have seen enough farout claims on many many threads in the past to make them skeptical whenever a new "best ever" ussually non constructive thread appears

[GTRWill]

As the maker of the videos and pickups being questioned and debated here. I do feel that some have had some hostility towards me, my company and pickups. You know, you guy's all work hard every day at your job, let it be pickup making, guitar building or an expert on everything guitars. But what I don't understand and will never understand is how some can disrespect another person work without fully knowing the truth behind the work in question. As far as the assumtions being made here as for how and where I got the recipe. Does it really matter? The bottom line, does the pickups deliver the goods? I have always said the proofs in the pudding. You want to knock me and my product or how I sell them. At least arm yourself with what your knocking...... I bet you you a replacement set that you'll like them!

Have a nice day!

[GTRWill]

Now what the heck has happened to the resent Peter Green craze? I haven’t heard his name mentioned in like 20 years, and suddenly everybody should do that silly “Peter Green” mod.

It's called "marketing". This same person has been hawking these videos over at the MLP forum.

Marketing & hawking? It sounds so dirty trying to introduce my customers to my work. I didn't realize trying to make a living at what I love is so wrong...

God Bless!

Edited November 8, 2007 by GTRWill

[GTRWill]

_{why is this ? I feel there if lots of educated people here you may find it interesting such as the guys in the sustainer thread & if not they are not forced to read the thread & those that do read I would hope would be respectful}

The silliness comes from the market BS surrounding those and other Peter Green clone pickups. As long as you’re not Peter Green, you will never sound like Peter Green. The same thing with Jimmy Page.

_{( that was my opinion & believe the video shows how it nails the Black dog tone)}

And IMHO that sound is far away from the Black Dog sound. Compare the “black dog” sound of the WB pup with the live clip of Black dog. Not even close. Overtones mid, higs, lows, everything differs. And to my knowledge the pickup was supposed to deliver the Peter Green sound, remember…

_{The true recipe for these were given to WB by someone who had the guitar in hand & showed documenting proof & first hand knowledge of what was really done & has proof of them playing with the likes of Moore/ clapton but wishes NOT to be mentioned}

_{And that is what I call big time marketing BS. “Someone that wishes to be anonymous have passed on the holy grail of pickup knowledge to me and only me” or something like that. WB: and everyone else: Stop trying to fool people out there! Be proud of your stuff and market them for what they are. Nice sounding pickups! Don’t try to piggyback some old famous player that is now too demented to know what happened to his guitar.}

_{And as you are so certain that you have the facts on all the factors that give this “magic” sound that must mean that WB has passed that knowledge on to you. Or are you WB yourself? In that case this thread starts to look like spam.}

_{I am WB..... And now that I know that you are a winder too. I see why you are trying to disrespect me and my product. You know, I never bad mouth fellow winders even if I think some are full of themselves and sometime just full of.....}

_{As for your assumption that I am piggy backing someone and the suggestion that I am trying to fool my customers is just plain ignorant on your part. You know I am proud of my products and the 100% success on my pickups.}

_{As for what information Flick has, would be the same information that anybody that has taken the time to ask me. What makes these pickups different than a simple magnet flip? It would be the reverse wind vs. the bridge's standard wind. Although knowing how to wind a good pickup is very important to the equation as is the correct wire per each bobbin for the neck pickup. When wound correctly and with the correct recipe, the pickups don't lose the volume as it does with a simple magnet flip or 4 conductor wiring scheme when out of phase....}

_{God Bless and I am out..... Play nice yall!}

Edited November 8, 2007 by GTRWill

[SwedishLuthier]

I am WB..... And now that I know that you are a winder too. I see why you are trying to disrespect me and my product. You know, I never bad mouth fellow winders even if I think some are full of themselves and sometime just full of.....

As for your assumption that I am piggy backing someone and the suggestion that I am trying to fool my customers is just plain ignorant on your part. You know I am proud of my products and the 100% success on my pickups.

As for what information Flick has, would be the same information that anybody that has taken the time to ask me. What makes these pickups different than a simple magnet flip? It would be the reverse wind vs. the bridge's standard wind. Although knowing how to wind a good pickup is very important to the equation as is the correct wire per each bobbin for the neck pickup. When wound correctly and with the correct recipe, the pickups don't lose the volume as it does with a simple magnet flip or 4 conductor wiring scheme when out of phase....

God Bless and I am out..... Play nice yall!

Interesting, as I don’t call myself a pickup winder! I am a guitar builder! I DO wind pickups too, and I think that a do a decent job at it, but I am not a pickup winder and I don’t try to pose as being one.

No hostility or disrespect aimed to you personally. It is your marketing some of us find a bit hard to digest. If you are so proud of your work (good for you, really), why don’t you stand by your products without trying to cash in on Peter Green’s good name?

And BTW, welcome to this forum. If you decide to stay on, I know for sure that your contribution will be highly appreciated.

[GTRWill]

I am WB..... And now that I know that you are a winder too. I see why you are trying to disrespect me and my product. You know, I never bad mouth fellow winders even if I think some are full of themselves and sometime just full of.....

As for your assumption that I am piggy backing someone and the suggestion that I am trying to fool my customers is just plain ignorant on your part. You know I am proud of my products and the 100% success on my pickups.

As for what information Flick has, would be the same information that anybody that has taken the time to ask me. What makes these pickups different than a simple magnet flip? It would be the reverse wind vs. the bridge's standard wind. Although knowing how to wind a good pickup is very important to the equation as is the correct wire per each bobbin for the neck pickup. When wound correctly and with the correct recipe, the pickups don't lose the volume as it does with a simple magnet flip or 4 conductor wiring scheme when out of phase....

God Bless and I am out..... Play nice yall!

Interesting, as I don’t call myself a pickup winder! I am a guitar builder! I DO wind pickups too, and I think that a do a decent job at it, but I am not a pickup winder and I don’t try to pose as being one.

No hostility or disrespect aimed to you personally. It is your marketing some of us find a bit hard to digest. If you are so proud of your work (good for you, really), why don’t you stand by your products without trying to cash in on Peter Green’s good name?

And BTW, welcome to this forum. If you decide to stay on, I know for sure that your contribution will be highly appreciated.

Interestingly is that I am a pickup winder who builds guitars... In fact 2 this year so far and carving out another sometime this coming week.

As for standing by my products without trying to cash in on PG. I find that statement interesting. My products have been doing fine before I announced these pickups. Cashing in on Peter Green name is not what I feel like I am doing. In fact, I am not to sure that I may keep this as a set I will do as a regular base model. I made these pickups when my customers asked and just like some guitar builder who makes "Tele" or a "Strat" style guitar. You make what the customer wants. I never like the whole mag flip and presto you have PG. I had a correspondance over the coarse of 3-4 months with someone who knew the details of the pickups and he gave it to. His exact words here, Now that you got it. Watch the naysayers tear you apart. His words have rang true since the day I announced them. Hate mail that I am a liar, that I am trying to milk PG's name and my favorate, what makes you think that someone really passed the correct recipe? Oh, I can't forget the porn spam that has send my way as well to fill my email inbox. That was a nice bonus!

Well, Thank you for the welcome. I have been a lurker here for a while and a signed on member as of January (I donated here last night as well). I build guitars as well. As for my contribution, I have nothing accept my passion to wind pickups and build guitars. If someone asks, I have no problem helping anyone who winds pickups if they need somehing answered. Feel free to email me since my time is limited during the day with work and at night, family first. So I may not see your question if you just post it on the forum. I sure do thank every one here since I have learned quite a lot in tricks in guitar building thanks to this place. A very wonderful place it is... Thanks!

[JoeAArthur]

Personally, I love the story of the Santa Ana Housewife pickup winder myself. I just can't figure out how her pickups always seemed to wind up (pun intended) in only those guitars of people we praise for tone.

Of course the guy that spent a decade or so un-winding pickups and checking their magnets with a gaussy-meter is a close second.

I may have to revaluate though - never thought of the concept of a pickup "recipe". I do so totally believe that some pickup makers have an amount of special pixie dust they sprinkle over their creation, so the concept of a pickup recipe may be too far away from the level of my hype detector.

But outside of that, my primary thought is that the Peavey amp has more to do with the sound on those video clips than the pickups.

[David Schwab]

_{( that was my opinion & believe the video shows how it nails the Black dog tone)}

And IMHO that sound is far away from the Black Dog sound. Compare the “black dog” sound of the WB pup with the live clip of Black dog. Not even close. Overtones mid, higs, lows, everything differs. And to my knowledge the pickup was supposed to deliver the Peter Green sound, remember…

I didn't bother to watch the videos... But I bet you are right! I had to reply to this post because the original was edited...

Why does everyone think that Page only played a Les Paul? He played a Paul live, but in the studio he used a brown Tele, a strat, a LP, and who knows what else. The Tele became his main guitar later on and had a Parson's White string bender. The electric parts, including the solo on Stairway to Heaven is the Tele. Hear that tone? That's Page's tone. Listen to The Ocean? Dancing Days? Achilles Last Stand? Nobody's Fault? You gonna tell me that's a Les Paul? Some might be, but some are definitely not.

Plus if that even is a Les Paul on Black Dog, it wouldn't be the neck pickup!

That was why I commented on this originally. Page's tone? Which one?

And why's everyone so damned interested in copping someone else's tone so bad? It's not that hard to come up with a good tone.

[David Schwab]

But outside of that, my primary thought is that the Peavey amp has more to do with the sound on those video clips than the pickups.

There you go. Listening to a high gain amp with distortion is only showing how well the pickups work with that amp and that tone.

Consider the rather low output pickups Hendrix used, plus he kept them pretty far away from the strings.

[WezV]

my favorite pickup maker (tim at BareKnuckle Pickups) makes a Peter Green set as well, i dont see the problem with making pickups to replicate the tones people ask for!! The fact is you dont get a PG tone from flipping a magnet so it needs to be done by the pickup winder and they might have to mention names so people know what they are selling

this is what tim says about his set, and i can tell you tehy are pretty damn good

The set has been made based on research from the time the guitar was in Peter and Gary's possesion and with the help of Sam Lee who did the original repair on the neck pickup and Charlie Chandler who has subsequently looked after the guitar for Gary.

The PG Blues set is completely unpotted, features vintage length rough cast Alnico II magnets and the neck pickup is wired so that it is permenantly out of phase with the bridge when in the middle position(not magnetically out of phase as often incorrectly quoted).