sb guitars Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 I just got my wood in today! It's looking beauty ! 3 2/16 X 1 13/16 X 30 inches- mohagany. there is two of them....sooooooo, in was wondering if there was enough to make 2 necks-deep tenon. i also got my body wood as well. its mohagany too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) I have my wood-the guitar has begun now here are some pictures of whats going on http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300443.jpg the wood http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300444.jpg straghtening the edges http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300447.jpg cutting the wings http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300448.jpg glueing the pieces together http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300449.jpg cutting out the template Edited November 12, 2007 by sb guitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova9 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Nice wood, though I'm curious....if you could draw the two halves of an LP on the board, why did you make it a 3-piece body instead of 2? Would like to see a shot of the glued-up body blank - I've never seen a tablesaw used for jointing before, interested to see the result! I love a good LP project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) this is nt a lp-this is a ltd viper build. the wood came with a lp drawing on it. here is a pic: http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/sgs.jpg it will be mohagany neck and body, with a slightly figure top and a snakewood fretboard-finish will be a tobacco burst with black and gold hardware. the reason for it being a 3 piece is for better sound. i know it is debatable-but-when you make a 2 piece there is glue in the center-and with a 3 iece there isn't. so on this build im going to see if the sound will differ at all Edited November 12, 2007 by sb guitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotgoalie11565 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Was it au naturel or medically aided? Sorry, dude. Had to ask. That has some nice grain to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) not sure what you mean.... but anyways----my neck wood-i really need some opinions and help on a decission. here are some pics of that wood http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300452.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300451.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300450.jpg CAN THIS BE MADE INTO A DEEP-SET NECK? I HAVE TWO OF THEM AND I WAS WONDERING IF ONE WAS ENOUGH..... Edited November 12, 2007 by sb guitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 please someone help with this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killemall8 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 not sure what you mean.... but anyways----my neck wood-i really need some opinions and help on a decission. here are some pics of that wood http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300452.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300451.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300450.jpg CAN THIS BE MADE INTO A DEEP-SET NECK? I HAVE TWO OF THEM AND I WAS WONDERING IF ONE WAS ENOUGH..... at that thickness and length, why wouldnt you be able to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) I never saw a table saw being used as a jointer also. and the gaps on the pic seems huge! what kind of glue have you used? and i would have done it with the glue line in the middle (considering that a nice joint was made). a 2 piece body seems more reasonable to me since your wood was wide enough to do it. and I disagree on the 3 piece sounding better than a 2 piece. lets see some more pictures! Edited November 12, 2007 by Hector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I never saw a table saw being used as a jointer also. and the gaps on the pic seems huge! what kind of glue have you used? and i would have done it with the glue line in the middle (considering that a nice joint was made). a 2 piece body seems more reasonable to me since your wood was wide enough to do it. and I disagree on the 3 piece sounding better than a 2 piece. lets see some more pictures! the picture was before the clamps were postioned and tightened. it makes sense that 3 piece is more true to a one piece body-being that there is no glue line in the middle. the glue is still drying(12 hours old). and the joints look very very tight- i would have continued if they weren't. ....and i used poly urethane. we should discuss this in a new thread and see what comes up-my information came from a luthier from gilmer woods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrentis Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 we should discuss this in a new thread and see what comes up-my information came from a luthier from gilmer woods Haha, I knew as soon as I saw that piece that it came from Gilmer as I have looked at it numerous times. I tend to look through every piece at Gilmer(site) at least once a week to satisfy my wood fetish, even then I sometimes must check other sites before my fetish is satiated. A lot of places that sell wood draw guitar shapes on wood, that way the customers get an idea of the size of the piece they're looking at. Anyhow, nice wood and I hope it all turns out great. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryovanni Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 With regards to your neck blank/blanks. I believe Marc placed two flatsawn pieces together to create a quartersawn laminate one piece neck blank. If you have no issue with using flatsawn Mahogany and scarfing the headstock (assuming you are doing an angled headstock), then yes, you can get two deep set neck blanks . You could also look at laying out your neck profiles on the side of one of the boards and see if you could get two out of a laminated blank. As far as using a three piece(effectively placing the neck and bridge in an unjointed piece of wood) vs two piece. This is an area that is debatable as to if it is "better" or "worse" because it would depend on what you are trying to do. The difference will be small either way. You would have to also look hard at the concept of a deep set vs a neck through in a similar fasion, matter of fact that would lead to the next debate which would be a single piece for the whole shooting match. I would say different method, not better not worse from my perspective, may be better for you if you are looking to achive a specific goal and you think it will get you closer. The fellas at Gilmer are pretty knowledgable, and have their opinions as do all good builders. I listen when they want to offer advise. I don't always agree with everything 100%, but that is totally normal between builders. Peace,Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I have decided to make two necks. for both of them will have dual action truss rods and carbon fiber rods as well. this should make it as stong as it can be--- is this statement correct? thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) I have decided to make two necks. for both of them will have dual action truss rods and carbon fiber rods as well. this should make it as stong as it can be--- is this statement correct? thoughts? If the two boards are flatsawn pieces, I would glue them up to make it quartersawn, and then, cut in half to make 2 quartersawn necks, instead of having 2 flatsawn necks. but that`s just me. I have no problems having glue joints on my necks. I would even cut the glued piece to have 3 necks if that`s possible. Edited November 12, 2007 by Hector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 so what are the differences in flat and quarter sawn necks-i know the difference in milling but not with music properties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryovanni Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 so what are the differences in flat and quarter sawn necks-i know the difference in milling but not with music properties It relates a lot to the difference in radial to tangential shrinkage/expansion rates and how it relates to the fretplane(you want as little variation as possible in regards to this). There are differences of opinion regarding this subject. If you talk to acoustic builders they will tell you hands down they want quartersawn orientation, and nice straight grain. Solid body builders are a little less rigid in their requirements. Many Fender necks for instance are flatsawn Maple, and it is worth noting that Maple has a much wider variation in rates of shrinkage as well as a higher volumetric rate compaired to Genuine Mahogany. There is little or no solid documentation that quartersawn is actually stronger than flatsawn in most woods. Personally, I would look for straight grain #1, close to either flat or quarter #2 and be sure it is dry and stable with little stored tension. If you have that you are good to go. Carbon fiber can add an element of stability and strength which is nice. Use construction methods that allow for a minimal amount of built in tensions. Peace,Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb guitars Posted November 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 UPDATE... here are the pieces glued up http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300453.jpg another angle http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300454.jpg the other side http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300455.jpg i don't have a planner, so that part has to wait. there looks like theres a chip on the first pic-but its just a piece of maplethat got stuck here is the shape ontop of the wood----its going to be damn close--i can always scale down the shape a bit http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/sbmann/S6300456.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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