screamindaemon Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'm in the planning phase of my second build. I want a strong lava feel on the body. And I want it to be 'real' lava effect where the hot yellow is surrounded by the cool reds and browns. Kinda like this: I guess my question is, can I stain the curl of the maple or lacewood with the yellow, and then apply orange/red die over top of it? Or would that override the yellow? Does anybody have any suggestions on how to accomplish this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilikes2shred Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 The general rule with dyes is to use the darker colors first. Lacewood is a hassle to dye. It must be thoroughly bleached to an off white and then dyed.... if you need to sand back, then it's difficult not to sand through the bleached area... and the dyes don't absorb very well (it takes a lot of very dark dye to get a good color). It's diffucult. It looks great when finished, but it wouldn't look like lava... so I wouldn't recommend it. I think a high figure maple or maple burl would be your best option. To do this, I would first dye dark black. Than I would sand back so there is just a little black in some places, and alot in others. Then I apply reds and browns, allow it to dry, then finish with a bright yellow. Any final blending can be done with a damp cloth. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 It absolutely can be done. A member of this forum who has not been around for quite some time built one that looked very much like lava. His user name is Drak, but any of his pictures are not hosted anymore. If anyone knows of a website he has or any way to view some of his builds, they would be a huge help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fookgub Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Too bad Drak left... his work was really inspiring. Here is a picture of his "Magma Attack" guitar. http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=25866 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 That is exactly the guitar I was thinking of, but all of his photobucket pictures are gone, so his threads don't help much other than explanations. I wish he was still around. He had a gift for finishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamindaemon Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 (edited) Wow, that is exactly what i was looking for, at least for the middle/outer rim of the burst. Thank you for this. So hwo do you suppose this was created? Stain, sand, dye, sand? How would i go about continuing to add the brighter yellow/oranges? Continue with Stain, sand, dye (brown/orange), sand, dye (orange/yellow) as I move towards the center? EDIT: I suppose if I, y'know, actually read the linked post, I could have answered these questions for myself Edited January 26, 2009 by screamindaemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wood is good Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Did Drak ever say why he left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I'm not sure, although I think he did have to bite his tongue on more than one occasion. Plus he likes to burn guitars which is an emotive subject for some :-\ Yeah, I miss Drak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthus Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I miss Drak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I miss the WOD. I still can not believe the pieces of wood that he would get his hands on, and am still in awe of his finishing capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fookgub Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I still can not believe the pieces of wood that he would get his hands on, and am still in awe of his finishing capabilities. +1 to all that. I have a habit of saving pictures I like. The internet is so transient in nature that you never know when they'll just disappear one day. I have a few other Drak pictures saved... wish I had more. Check this beauty out: Hope Drak doesn't mind me posting these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacanador Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Oh my how do you do this?? It is almost 3D, I guess it is dying dark sanding back several times, I've done it, I have never achieved a finish so good looking as this one. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't remember much of what Drak said was his technique, I am definitely going to have to go back and look at them. But I know Myka and Rhoads56 have said they use a combination of dying and spraying tinted finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It's been a few years since Magma Attack, but I'm here if you have any questions, and thanks for the nice words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 ^^questions^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Someones ears must have been burning. Great to see you back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacanador Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 It's been a few years since Magma Attack, but I'm here if you have any questions, and thanks for the nice words. You are the famous Drak, impressive work, I've done a few quitled maple tops but nothing as good looking as the picture shown above, the bookmatched grain pattern is awesome, and it actually looks like fire. How do you achieve the awesome 3D effect. Any special tricks? Or is it what we all know, dye dark sand back, dye with the light colors, and clear coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Thank You for the kind words. Which one, Magma or the Tele, they were done two different ways. You can see the directions for Magma by following the thread. The Tele burst was done by wiping on the dark brown waterbased anilyne dye, sanding back, letting dry, wiping on the waterbased basecoat amber color, let dry, then using an airbrush to do most of the rest of the burst, that's why it has such a beautiful, almost imperceptible gradual fade to the center part of the burst, because the waterbased dyes blended into each other before any finish was applied. The outer edge burst was applied as a tinted color coat, after clear coats and leveling, but most of what you see was done before any finish was applied, all waterbased dye with an airbrush. So you can see the difference between applying waterbased bursts before finish, and applying tinted toner coats as part of the finish, all on the same guitar. I love the Tele, I'll take some pics when the weather warms up and post them, it turned out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacanador Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thank You for the kind words. Which one, Magma or the Tele, they were done two different ways. You can see the directions for Magma by following the thread. The Tele burst was done by wiping on the dark brown waterbased anilyne dye, sanding back, letting dry, wiping on the waterbased basecoat amber color, let dry, then using an airbrush to do most of the rest of the burst, that's why it has such a beautiful, almost imperceptible gradual fade to the center part of the burst, because the waterbased dyes blended into each other before any finish was applied. The outer edge burst was applied as a tinted color coat, after clear coats and leveling, but most of what you see was done before any finish was applied, all waterbased dye with an airbrush. So you can see the difference between applying waterbased bursts before finish, and applying tinted toner coats as part of the finish, all on the same guitar. I love the Tele, I'll take some pics when the weather warms up and post them, it turned out great. On my post I meant the Magma, but the Tele is equally beautiful, would love to see the pics of the finished guitar, thanks for sharing this info, I am going to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacanador Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Couldn't find the thread on the magma attack, maybe its been removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wood is good Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...66&hl=Magma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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