StreamLine Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 i need advise on which fingerboard wood to use on my 7 string project...... i want a balanced tone that can work nicely on clean jazz, and heavily overdriven amps for much heavier stuff, but i want all lower strings to be punchy, i dont want masses of low end thats typical to many cheap 7's.... tone i'm looking for is think of the 'tightness' of low strings in Steve Vai's tone, but so that it can be used on thrash metal riffing too...... visual appearance is a bonus too...... thanks, Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Ebony, purpleheart, wenge, or maple. All hard woods. wery small chance of dead spots. The harder and straighter the grain the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 well..... personally i've played only a couple. but cocobolo man... that stuff is amazing. as for the combination of tones, you should put it into a 3 pickup situation. like in LTD's where you have 2 humbuckers and one single coil. especially with jazz. For DEATH metal you're looking at like an EMG, for shredding you're looking for a range of tones of heavy to rock for the middle pickup. Then for the neck you have to have a light and airy pickup like a tele neck pickup, really bright for jazz. Personally i think you're looking at an EMG active pickup for your bridge, then you're looking at like a Gibson 57' Classic for your middle then you're looking at a tele style neck pickup. Key is brightness. and make sure that you Coil split both the humbuckers. so that you can have everything in between sounds. trust me that single coil will blend well with the 57 classic. 57 has quite a sick jazz sound, to blues sound...etc. even rock sound. i like the holy grail strat pickups too. check them out. trust me its all about the pickups for the electric stuff. and the key is not to have any feedback especially in the bridge position. the fingerboard does have some distinction in the jazz sound but for the metal stuff, and heavy rock it reallllly doesnt have ALL that much to do with that. The body woods, neck woods, neck construction, and how the joint of the neck to the body..... thats the most important and that the pickup selection is a good and the construction is the best for your playing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 brazilian rosewood is kickin, so is ebony, cocobolo is the nicer to me than ebony, but brazilian rosewood is the brightest sounding. great jazzer. but try the coco bolo. my piece is SO highly resonant it hurts my ears when i flick it. lol its great it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlexVDL Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 You don't want a 7 string to sound too muddy, so I'd say go for maple or ebony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 COCO BOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Snork, don't you really prefer Dalbergia Retusa for 'boards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazyderek Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Purple heart is excellent for jazz and metal because it really does have big thunky bottom end to give lots of mass to your chords, i play detuned down to C on my purple heart fingerbaord with emg's and i absolutely love it!!!!!! but the neck pickup (emg85) can get a little TOO thick at times.... i'd say a purple heart & ebony finbergoard would be something for you to consider, maybe a bit of peu ferro in there too.... like PH/EB/PF/EB/PH but that would be quite an expensive and time consuming fingerboard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renablistic Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 maple to me seems to be faster, although not as visually apealing, but your fingers seem to glide across it sooo easily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 hmm interesting..... i'm not particularly fond of EMG's however..... i do agree they have masses of low end and crunch but they are a little sterile for me, plus i am not prepared to try to mix actives and passives, i got enough to sort out as it is! lol at the moment i was thinking H-S-H, (all dimarzio) PAF-7 at neck, blaze-7 single mid, and either Evolution7, tonezone 7 or blaze7 custom at bridge...... other wood wise, i'm pretty much decided on a 5 piece maple/wenge neckthru, with alder wings, so which fingerboard would compliment that? also what about pickups i've sort of chosen? EMG dont make a 7 string single, SD's range of 7 string p-ups is less than impressive, so it pretty much has to be DiMarzio........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 wait.... you're going for a single coil metal guitar? Dude if price isnt a factor definately go for a 2-2-1 configuration. If you dont like the price of EMG's and price isnt a factor, I GUESS you could use a Gibson Burstbucker #3 and a 57' Classic in middle followed up by a soul ful single coil in the neck postion. but for death metal........ man emgs are the only way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 lol, well my style IS pretty unique..... but IMO gibson pickups are overpriced...... plus i'm 90% sure they dont offer ANY 7 string pickups Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 you can get them custom wound my friend got his bursts custom wound. oh yes...... they are overpriced........ and dude BTW you can't possibly have a unique style at 15.... Once you have about 10-15 years under your belt THEN you have a unique voice. I practice a LOT but i am nowhere near there. and give us like your price cut off so that we can get an idea as to what you can get for your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 i can see what you're saying with me 15, fair point, but then again my playing is fairly unconventional - find me another guitarist who is into death metal riffing while trying to bring in classical elements and use single coils for some of the melodies? price range? upto $250 for all 3 pickups; but put it this way, if its good enough to justify spending more, i can save up for a bit longer. though i really do not find gibson pickups appealing. at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 kirk hammett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 i get your point........ my ego can get a bit big at times though kirk hammet = death metal. no way. neither exodus nor metallica did anything beyond thrash....... anyway, getting back to the topic..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 wait wait wait...forget about the topic for a second. the only difference between exodus and (good) death metal was the vocals. listen to deicide sometime...you will see what i mean exodus was full of riffs that could have been used in death metal besides i fully believe that exodus was the very first true death metal band....the missing link between thrash and death if you will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 i considered Judas Priest's 'Painkiller' to be one of the bridging albums, also Tom Araya's vocs for Slayer had an influence of some sort....... if we're talkign about one of the first death metal bands, it would have to be Morbid Angel. secondly Deicide, great band that they are, have a lot of thrash influences, which does ominate their sound.......... however that is not necessarily a reflection of the vast majority of the genre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 no...morbid angel was waaaay after deicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 death metal is anything with heavy riffing(thrashlike...there really is no difference in the guitars)plus the deep growling vocals which barkand scream.tom arayahas way to much vocal range for death metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 and judas priest was a bridge between rock and thrash,not thrash and death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 listen to Painkiller. the drums. recognise the sound of blast beats? granted many bands did that before, but that is pretty much how they sound. the neo-classical influenced solo. extreme vocal pitch, granted Halford sung the other way, lol but it depends which album we consider, stuff like Sad Wings of Destiny is powermetal, however Painkiller isnt.... morbid angel was formed in early 80's you'll find..... so that cannot be much later the deicide...... tom araya's vocal range is pretty big, but if you just listen to slayer's earliest work, its pretty much how you hear many vocalists that dont growl but sort of scream..... there is more difference to death and thrash then just vocals. 1) you dont get death metal blastbeats in thrash 2) often you get slower stuff, ie still fast riffs, but overal tempo slower, i cant explain it very well, but its the kinda style like in Morbid Angel's 'God of Emptiness' 3) overall sound is more brutal than thrash, not just vocals that give it that edge 4) pinch harmonics are a major technique in DM, yet hardly utilized in thrash riffing 5) 4th chords often used, not 5ths; lots of octave shapes and 'out of key chords' 6) open low string is not used as religiously..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 we are talking about the guitar...detune to g and you will find all of the sudden that your favorite thrash riff sounds death metal. speed has NOTHING to do with it...just like thrash death metal varies from super slow and chunky to as fast as they can play it. trust me on this....i have been playing both for YEARS and years and years(13 years i guess) most death metal is crap played by low talent hacks...but people like trey azagthoth make death metal good. you will find that of the 2 styles on the whole the better guitarists are in thrash. all death metal is is immature thrash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 oh btw....pinch harmonics are used much more in thrash....look at dimebag,jeff hanneman,kerry king,alex sckolnick...too many to list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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