haggardguy Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 A metric tonne at that If I were you I'd try and setup some other form of amplification if you're worried about it. See if you can borrow one or rent one from a local music store. If you have to you can buy it and take advantage of 30 returns provided of course that you get money back, not credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Just bring in your half stack. The girls will dig it. It looks very mocho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 No, you need a FULL stack ....even you're only really playing through something small...you need to intimidate the hell of these people --especially if this is some kind of competition, right? Even if the cabinets are empty, you want something taller than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum5545 Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Deffo bring in your half stack-- if you want to wow them, you need to have the tone you like most, and that you're most accustomed to. Also, I'd avoid any Vai-esque facial expressions where possible. It works for Vai because, well, he's a god and can do whatever he damn pleases on stage as long as he keeps playing as well as he does. For anyone else, it can tend toward pretentious. Especially if you're trying to wow a skeptical crowd-- there's nothing like a goofy smile while tearing out crazy licks to really wow an audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Bring the amp. The amp is half your instrument, in a sense. Without it, an electric guitar's little more than a pretty plank with some bit of metal and a couple of magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 i agree...bring the proper amp or you will always regret it. i refuse to even play in from of people on a sorry amp.all it does is make you look worse than you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 i've spoken to my guitar teacher about this.. now he's a real jazz maestro (though technically i can pwn him without too much trouble..) [he's still 20 times better than me as a musician...]Excuse me, but ? You gonna cut heads with your teacher? "Snatch the pebble from my hand ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 i've spoken to my guitar teacher about this.. now he's a real jazz maestro (though technically i can pwn him without too much trouble..) [he's still 20 times better than me as a musician...]Excuse me, but ? You gonna cut heads with your teacher? "Snatch the pebble from my hand ... " ← yeah...sounds a little egotistical to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I did a similar thing in Music Class when I was in High school. I had a friend with a station wagon drive me to school that morning so I could bring my JCM 800 head and 900 Cab and my effects. Imagine the look in my teachers' face when I wheeled the half stack down the hall. My point is that you'lll feel MUCH more comfortable if you're hearing the familiar tone of your rig when you're playing. ESPECIALLY If you're not going through a PA ie, no monitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 yeah...sounds a little egotistical to me ← ALOT of people called Yngwie egotistical too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) yeah...sounds a little egotistical to me i dont think it does.... its the truth. he cant play sweep arpeggios triplets at 160bpm, and I can. yet his phrasing is outstanding and he can improvise and play such chords that would dislocate my finger joints if i tried to play them. he can play pretty much anything from reggae and funk to acid jazz with some crazy time signatures... i cant. Imagine the look in my teachers' face when I wheeled the half stack down the hall. why imagine if i can see for myself!!! :-D alright, my school is only down the road, so I'm thinking about the logistics of this whole thing.. sounds plausible, if a little crazy. lol my mum's response to this idea was 'YOU WHAT!!??' Edited September 16, 2005 by StreamLine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 yeah...sounds a little egotistical to me ← ALOT of people called Yngwie egotistical too ← that's because he is.there is a fine line between confidence and insufferability. yet his phrasing is outstanding and he can improvise and play such chords that would dislocate my finger joints if i tried to play them. he can play pretty much anything from reggae and funk to acid jazz with some crazy time signatures... i cant. sounds to me like he "pwns" you.just because you can sweep in no way makes you better.most guitarists should just check the ego a bit,or they just end up sounding like egotistical pricks...and then nobody wants to credit them for what they do good. do you think anyone is going to take you more seriously because you constantly brag on yourself,or rather because you are modest and let your playing speak for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) yeah...sounds a little egotistical to me ← ALOT of people called Yngwie egotistical too ← that's because he is.there is a fine line between confidence and insufferability. yet his phrasing is outstanding and he can improvise and play such chords that would dislocate my finger joints if i tried to play them. he can play pretty much anything from reggae and funk to acid jazz with some crazy time signatures... i cant. sounds to me like he "pwns" you.just because you can sweep in no way makes you better.most guitarists should just check the ego a bit,or they just end up sounding like egotistical pricks...and then nobody wants to credit them for what they do good. do you think anyone is going to take you more seriously because you constantly brag on yourself,or rather because you are modest and let your playing speak for you? ← i guess sarcasm was lost through the internet. of course he is a better guitarist than me. since 'pwn' is a silly internet word, i gave it a silly meaning - i never wanted to say that i actually OWNED him. there was the discussion of merits of jazz, so i tried to add my point that jazz is actually a very sophisticated genre that is far beyond the reach of many guitar players and that is not just a bunch of wrong notes. i regret if i sounded egoistical, or put more bluntly, a prick. Edited September 16, 2005 by StreamLine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 i guess sarcasm was lost through the internet. of course he is a better guitarist than me. since 'pwn' is a silly internet word, i gave it a silly meaning - i never wanted to say that i actually OWNED him. there was the discussion of merits of jazz, so i tried to add my point that jazz is actually a very sophisticated genre that is far beyond the reach of many guitar players and that is not just a bunch of wrong notes. i regret if i sounded egoistical, or put more bluntly, a prick. cool...i guess i just have difficulty with the concept of the "better guitarist" philsophy. i would rather just be a musician and be the best that i can at what i do with the time i have to play.people want to hear music...only guitarists want to hear yngwie-ist wanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 good point yes. as people get more specialised in an instrument, they begin appreciating the intruments nuances more. it is not only true of yngwie fans however. i am lucky enough to be relatively good friends with two amazing classical musicians - a pianist and a violin player. some of the music they listen to and play is almost unlistenable to me... because its so complicated, multilayered and all out crazy. such music is almost only open to the classical musician elite... same with 'acid' or modern jazz... some of it so obscure, that i for instance cant enjoy listening to it. my teacher on the other hand loves it.. so perhaps not only guitarists like yngwie and his fans ought to be accused of getting too technical / complicated in their music! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Personally, I'd rather play with a musician than a technician any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 same with 'acid' or modern jazz... some of it so obscure, that i for instance cant enjoy listening to it. my teacher on the other hand loves it.. so perhaps not only guitarists like yngwie and his fans ought to be accused of getting too technical / complicated in their music! ← It's simply a matter of who’s your audience. In some of the references you’ve made they are referred to commonly as a musicians musician. The people that appreciate their work the most are musicians who can understand the complexity of their application. I greatly appreciate this sort of material because it goes way beyond the musical interpretive requirements that a (needs to broaden his horizons) Malmsteen only type fan has. They're still fascinated by a harmonic minor scale suggesting there is plenty of room for growth (so to speak). My little brother plays this crazed jazz and is well known by his peers, also companionates himself with those that were once upon a time his heroes. He always had an appreciation for that level of complexity that took me considerably longer to truly appreciate. Now I see why, it was beyond me at the time. Keep in mind and instructor commonly has no motivation to impress you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Keep in mind and instructor commonly has no motivation to impress you. wink.gif So true. Ususally your teachers are much better than what they play in front of you. They don't need to or want to impress you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 FWIW, I didn't get any egoism there --I think it was quite clear what he was saying, that technically he can play faster, but musically his teacher kicks his butt... In fact I think his recognition of that shows a lot of humility and understanding of music itself...that technique is just one part of the equation. Definitely bring your own rig in. And wearing stretchy snakeskin pants too. With a sock in it for extra, uh, emphasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 thw word "pwns" was just innapropriate.i didn't realize it was facetious. "pwns" is a word that means disrespect to the guy being "pwned"...which is why i don't like the word.but it is best i think to let young guitarists know as soon as possible to check the ego as much as possible.i know it is tough,but you get more respect that way. if you are modest,people will lineup to say how great you are and how much they like you.they will defend you so much that you don't have to say anything. if you brag excessively,all you will get is "player hating" sent your way.understand what i mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 "pwns" is a word that means disrespect to the guy being "pwned"...which is why i don't like the word.but it is best i think to let young guitarists know as soon as possible to check the ego as much as possible.i know it is tough,but you get more respect that way. ← I don't like that word because it doesn't have a damn vowel. But yeah, the ego thing...the neighbor's kid has a band, they're all about 16-18 or so. They really suck (don't practice enough). But you can see the talent potential in a couple of them. Especially the bass player...you can definitely see where he can become a great player. Except he's such as ass, it's just no fun talking to him, or even watching him play. Hopefully he'll get his butt kicked a few times in the next couple of years, that's very helpful for instilling a bit of modesty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 But yeah, the ego thing...the neighbor's kid has a band, they're all about 16-18 or so. They really suck (don't practice enough). But you can see the talent potential in a couple of them. Especially the bass player...you can definitely see where he can become a great player. Except he's such as ass, it's just no fun talking to him, or even watching him play. Hopefully he'll get his butt kicked a few times in the next couple of years, that's very helpful for instilling a bit of modesty... ← It amazes me still how much we've all seen or can see so commonly no matter where we are. This guy is a great example, it's extremely common for musician males and especially male youth. Music does not care about gender, testosterone or ego. Media and the need for money by musicians to survive is the cause of music being other than a nature element of culture and not a pay for means of entertainment that it has become. It really depends on the intent of the musician, is it a means of gaining recognition and power or is it to find a place they’ve been before in a moment with other people they hardly knew where something happened they couldn’t explain or even possibly reproduce. How many have said, “Man, did you get that on tape”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan123 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 ...it is best i think to let young guitarists know as soon as possible to check the ego as much as possible.i know it is tough,but you get more respect that way. if you are modest,people will lineup to say how great you are and how much they like you.they will defend you so much that you don't have to say anything. if you brag excessively,all you will get is "player hating" sent your way.understand what i mean? ← Right on, I learned that the hard way. Luckly, I've sort of redeemed myself. Many people in my school would rather hear some pop-punk/nü metal hybrid than me jammin' to some Satriani though. Meh, whatever. It's all good, and what matters is that I enjoy my playing. THAT'S what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreamLine Posted September 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 (edited) well, its 3 nights left! though i'm going to see the Mighty English power metal band Dragonforce on thursday, so cant really practice much that night! as well as being severely exhausted on friday morning... methinks i best stay away from the front and wear some earplugs to avoid being messed up on friday!!! i've practiced more and more and got my stage moves more or less sorted. after some hesitation i ahve after all decided to take my amp there on the day. i just hope no stupid kids will go up to it to damage it, or severely mess up the EQ without me noticing... so yeah, a BIG thank you for your advice and time to post in this thread. thank you also to Wes, who really made me consider my attitudes, even though i wasnt as guilty of ego-building as was suggested... there was a little bit of a quiet inner ego i'm not sure whether i can do anything else now but practice... i could bring some JD / vodka and have a few sips before hand, but i doubt it will help and might have terrible consequences.... so i'll try to do it completely sober and get trashed afterwards at the party instead... i think. peace, Roman Edited September 27, 2005 by StreamLine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Set up the EQ the way you want it on your amp. Then take a bottle of white out and put a dot on the number you have each knob set to. That way you can quickly reset anything that's been messed up if someone fiddled with it. When you're done, just scratch off the white out. Always works for me. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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