hooglebug Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) i got bored so i designed something. i have no money right now so it wont get started on for a while if ever, but i just wanted to see what people thought about it. it will probably get two hbs, as im going to sell it if it gets made, and i figure two hbs are more popular than p90/hb combo. it would have a prs-like carve on the top, apart from the curly thing going down the body, which is like a raised wave, with a clean natural edge on the inside and sloping down to the edge on the outside. i cant really explain it right, but here's where i stole the idea from - link so basically its a cross between that guitar and a prs. any thoughts? comments and critiscisms welcome Edited November 8, 2006 by hooglebug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 That "SWOOOOSH" thing reminds me of the cloud I think it's called. It's by schecter and Prince played it. I like the body but i think a 3x3 headstock would suit the body better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Frank Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I like it. The humbucker/p90 combo is getting really popular so I say stick w/ that even if you are selling it. I think if anything it would be selling point rather than a detraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 wow, i love the design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Shoot..... what company is it!??!?! I hate to break it to you but there is a company with EXACTLY that design, carve, the works. The one of their site is dark blue quilted maple,a nd it's someone not so famous' "signature" model... Chris PS: If I can find/remember I'll let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I don't know chris, call me sheltered, but I'd say Michael Vangerov is about as "not so famous" as they get. He's obviously having some sort of midlife crisis in which he wishes he were slash, but doesn't have the forsight(or ability?) to grow his hair out and become massively addicted to any mind altering substance he can get his hands on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Are you trying something kinda like this moser? is so than its going to be deadly http://www.nealmoser.com/mvsigmodel.htm !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Yeah, that'd be the guitar.... but who is he then?! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) Yeah, that'd be the guitar.... but who is he then?! Chris thats Neal Moser he built the thing and its a Michael Vangerov Signature Model I still think that hooglebug should give it a try since his body design is not dead on the same, I think it will be a cool spin off !!METAL MATT!! Edited November 2, 2006 by !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova9 Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 You guys do realise that the link in his first post was to the Moser Custom Shop site, and to that exact guitar, right? Reading the original post is cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJD Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) To be honest hooglebug I like the original but I prefer your sketch. Turning that lower plateau into a carved area is going to be a nightmare but hey! That’s why we do this right ? I notice that on the original, the swoosh thing is an elaborate tailpiece type section for the strings to go through. Are you going with this concept on your design too? I also feel that a 3-a-side headstock would look nicer but I’m bias toward them anyway. I’m looking forward to seeing your progress in this; coinage permitting!! P.S. looking at the bottom bit of your 'swoosh' i feel it should follow the shape of the body more - seems to point back in to the bridge area too sharply in my eyes Edited November 2, 2006 by NJD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 ....& the headstock is from an Ibanez Blaser right? I like the design but I think that the P90/HB combo looks a bit weird, I think that he headstock would work...maybe flip it over so that the contours follow the body a bit more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted November 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 well, thanks for the suggestions and comments guys. and yes, if you did read my original post i did say that i stole the wave/swoosh thing from that guitar. but hey, i bet we've all just looked at pictures and not bothered reading the rest. i know i have. i dont know about the headstock. i think if its a bolt on i'll go with that, but if its a set neck then i'll do a three a side thing or something. i'll keep tweeking and see what happens. NJD - i dont think i would do that tailpiece thing even if it were a non-vib bridge. i dont know why, it just doesnt grab me. and yes, that top would probably be a bugger to do - and probably not the smartest thing to try for your first carve top, but i'll never know if i dont try it i suppose. theres a nice bit of maple on ebay, but my credit card has no money on it so i cant get it. grrr. i'll have o wait a while till i can pay some off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopolis Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Ill only accept this from you if it has a mirror on top.. anything less is worthless..... j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted November 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) but i've never done a carved top.... please....sniff....i want to.... Edited November 2, 2006 by hooglebug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Metal Matt, I wasn't asking who Neal Moser is.... I was asking who the devil's the guy who's signature model it is, and does he actually deserve a signature model lol. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Reading the original post is cool. HAHA Good point but i've never done a carved top.... please....sniff....i want to.... You know I think Neal shows somewhere how he did that and the steps it took I'll ask him for ya and look around Metal Matt, I wasn't asking who Neal Moser is.... I was asking who the devil's the guy who's signature model it is, and does he actually deserve a signature model lol. Chris I was not sure so i answered with both names I knew of Neal Moser and Michael Vangerov !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 hey, if Gibson will make a Justin Hawkins Les Paul it leaves it open for anyone to make a signature guitar for anyone, famous or not. I thought it funny that his band is "world renowned"...I've never heard of them & can't remember their name after only a few minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doeringer Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Michael Vangerov Liquid Blue(?) And I also like your sketch better, and also would prefer the 3 on 3. This would not be an easy first carve, but give it a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 here's how Michael's (I like to call him Mike ) guitar was built: http://www.nealmoser.com/insidetheshop-vangerov%20model.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted November 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 thanks for that. hmm, so it looks as though both the raised and lower bits of the top are flat on that one. (unless im not seeing it right - and i didnt read it so i might have missed something - doh!) and im going for the carved top prs type thing. seems i'll have my work cut out for me! if it ever happens that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 yes, better.....the 4+2 looks good. It's not something that I'd like on any other guitar but it would compliment the body very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I've been thinking.....it's quite an unusual feeling. Anyway, that raised swirly bit.....would be a nice touch on a bass if reversed. The raised area could become a thumb rest all along the string path & the lower section would allow plenty of slap n' tap room. My mate often complains that certain bass's don't have the pickups in a comfortable postion for resting the thumb on or that there's not enough room to pluck the top strings....seems like a good solution, what does anyone else think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGman Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 but i've never done a carved top.... please....sniff....i want to.... I wonder what mirror inlays would look like, thanks for giving me an idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJD Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) IMO the greatest difficulty you will face above doing a normal carved top is getting your tools into the corner between the inner face of the raised swirl and carved top to get a clean transition with a sharp angle. I think what I’d do is a LOT of careful planning followed by routing that swirl completely to the depth it meets the highest point of the curve then routing depths in stages where the carve changes height along the plane of the inner face of the swirl, and then working on the transition between those stages by hand so you’re working between 2 levels and can sight the transition between them. (If the above doesn’t make sense ask me to rephrase it ) On my carved top guitar, I’m not expecting to have to take my chisels out of my tool drawers, but it looks to be a probability for you what with inner angles. My hat comes off to you for attempting this one but it will have some major wow factor if you pull it off Edited November 3, 2006 by NJD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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