espnut2 Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Does anyone forsee any problems with putting a 22 fret neck on a body that previously had a 24 fret neck, as long as the scale is the same (25.5")? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 will not work.... the neck heel is generally longer on a 24 fret neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePlague Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 you can do it. www.warmoth.com sells 22 and 24 fret conversion necks. the thing is, you may have to take your neck pickup out to fit a 24 fretter in. and the biggest thing is, will you actually be able to reack the 24th fret? if your guitar currently has 22, then the cutaway was probably designed so you could just reach 22. if you add 2 more frets on, you won't be able to reach any farther. perfect example of this, gibson les paul doublecut (studio?). i tried one in a guitar shop. sure it has 24 frets, but what's the point when you can only reach 21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 i assumed he already has a 22 fret neck in mind...because if he was buying a replacement,wouldn't he just buy the right one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePlague Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 whoops i misread the topic. i thought he was talking about putting a 24 fret neck on a 22 fret body. i'm not sure if it'll work now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 you can do it. www.warmoth.com sells 22 and 24 fret conversion necks. the thing is, you may have to take your neck pickup out to fit a 24 fretter in. and the biggest thing is, will you actually be able to reack the 24th fret? if your guitar currently has 22, then the cutaway was probably designed so you could just reach 22. if you add 2 more frets on, you won't be able to reach any farther. perfect example of this, gibson les paul doublecut (studio?). i tried one in a guitar shop. sure it has 24 frets, but what's the point when you can only reach 21? actually youread it backwarsds and warmoth necks are made for a standard strat style neck pocket....a 24 fret guitar does not have that to make it even more complicated,not just any old 24 fret neck will fit either,without modding...the heels on guitars such as ibanez and esp are proprietary(meaning it would be like putting a ford motor in a chevy truck...you can do it,but you have to modify the connections(motor mounts)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAI6 Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 warmoth.com sells 22 and 24 fret conversion necks. The 24 fret necks that Warmoth sell are 22 "fretters" with an extended fingerboard. It's intended as a replacement on a 22 fret neck guitar. ESPnut2 has a 24 fret body, and is going to put a 22 fret neck on it. While the scale isn't a problem, the heel is. Obviously, a 24 fret neck is longer than a 22, so the heel on the 22 will stop before the appropriate position in the neck pocket. If you just shove the 22 fret neck into the pocket, as far as it goes, THEN the scale will be off. And that wouldn't be good......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Am I being dense, or is there no sense in replacing a 24 fret neck with a 22? If you don't want to use the top two frets, fine, so just don't use them, or is there something I'm not getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamesucks Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Am I being dense, or is there no sense in replacing a 24 fret neck with a 22? If you don't want to use the top two frets, fine, so just don't use them, or is there something I'm not getting? exactly my thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardtailed Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Am I being dense, or is there no sense in replacing a 24 fret neck with a 22? If you don't want to use the top two frets, fine, so just don't use them, or is there something I'm not getting? Well, you do get a sweeter sound out of a neck pickup when it is located under what should be the 24 fret (that's why you can strike a natural harmonic over the neck pickup's coil, assuming it is properly located). But that also means relocating the pickup... which will look quite ugly unless you hide everything with a pickguard. As for the neck itself, most 24fret necks have a longer heel (and not just an extended fretboard like Warmoth does), so for a 22fret neck to fit, you would have like 1/2" of free space in the neck pocket... and that's assuming there is enough "pocket" left to attach the neck properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 I can't imagine a tangible benefit. The whole pickup location thing is one argument, but even that has 2 sides, which helps 'prove' that it's a very subjective thing which many people might not even notice as making a difference to their tone. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Well, you do get a sweeter sound out of a neck pickup when it is located under what should be the 24 fret (that's why you can strike a natural harmonic over the neck pickup's coil, assuming it is properly located). But that also means relocating the pickup... which will look quite ugly unless you hide everything with a pickguard. Are you saying a neck pickup, when located where the 24th fret normally is, would sound better than a neck pickup located a 1/4" either side of that "harmonic" position?? If that is what your saying, you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardtailed Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Well, as for locating under an harmonic, I too find it's useless since the harmonic moves as soon as you're not playing the open string or the 12th fret... Still that's where Leo and Lester decided to put their neck pickups... It has more to do with being farther from the bridge, which allows it to pickup a softer sound. If you can hear a difference between the middle pickup and the neck one, then moving it around has to produce a difference... Of course, modifying a guitar from 24fret to 22fret just for that reason does not make sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank falbo Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 The location of the harmonic is irrelevant. But don't use phrases like "you're wrong" when 1/4" movement in either direction does indeed make a huge difference in the neck pickup's tone. It is just as Hardtailed said, more about the distance away from the saddle. Some 24 fret guitars like the old Ibanez RG's were actually 22 fret style necks with the extension. So you could put any stratty neck on there and have a big gap with a recess showing. But the scale would line up. But that warmoth 24 fret extension neck is exactly that, too. So either would work. But if it's cut for 24 frets and no extension, you have very few options besides moving the bridge and maybe the middle and bridge pickup routs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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