Gorecki Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Sorry folks, shows over. I decided that although I got it pretty close to the mockup pic, it wasn't as good as I can do and trashed it this morning. I never finish a guitar unless it is the absolute best I am capable of, and this one didn't measure up to my best. Oh well, it was a fun idea. ← Drak as I’m really disappointed this time realizing it has been the progress of some of your works that have made me think so dimensionally differently about what you can do with a traditional guitar shape to create something to be qualified as true guitar porn! It does something to the guitar lover in all of us that we don’t even understand and the WOW factor of pictures along the way is pleasurable enough to be considered at least NC17! I would like to make a point or two but ultimately what completes your Zen is the optimal outcome…right? Some of the most common elements of the modern world were accidents. These creations where flaw (unintended outcome or use) was what caused their existence. Microwave Ovens, Matches, Post-It Notes, Velcro, Teflon, Cellophane, Anesthesia, Fingerprinting, Dynamite, Stainless steel, White out…the list goes on forever. Maybe, just maybe a mistake may lead you to something you had never thought of? Some of us have the desire but not the time or means to build…at least yet. I spend the majority of my free time making certain the youth in my house grow up with some degree of sanity in this seemingly going to hell on a freight train world. In turn some of us gain some level of fulfillment though your efforts (sort of like a favorite TV show life they can’t live by choice). I’m still wondering what came of that gorgeous dark blue spaulted you were working on months ago? Please try not to cancel the series right at the good parts okay? I’m done, just wanted to share my letter to the editor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 WOW!! I didn't know you were an amateur Philosopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Damn! You mean I laid my weed whacker to waste for nothing??!! Actually, the vibe is still fizzing through my veins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 WOW!! I didn't know you were an amateur Philosopher ← Yeah, my foolish ramblings have been deemed as Brianism's in the past. BTW: Passed through your neck of the woods this weekend and experienced the fine offerings of your local Bob Evans. Damn! You mean I laid my weed whacker to waste for nothing??!! An attempt at lawn & garden pickup winder? Watch da fingers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 (edited) BTW: Passed through your neck of the woods this weekend and experienced the fine offerings of your local Bob Evans. ← You should have gone up 95 2 more exits there's a Cracker Barrel Actually the Bob Evans on rt 24 is less than a mile from my house. Edited September 7, 2005 by Scott Rosenberger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 We just got back from a N. Wisconsin & back driving trip (2400 miles), and I must say....Cracker Barrel blows Bob away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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haggardguy Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 My favourite mistake was chocolate chip cookies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrentis Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 If you were an English teacher and had the class do an essay and gave them a week to turn it in, would you accept a paper from someone whom you could tell did a one-off, would you accept their 'rough draft' when you knew that that kid had a lot of potential locked up inside him? Wouldn't it be your duty as teacher to try and coax it out of him? Funny you say that, I had a teacher do this to me, except it was in drama or acting class in highschool. I had done the first scene we had to do and did alright but I never really cared, it was kinda a get out of actual work type class for me, so after the second one, the teacher says talk to me after class, and I was wondering what the deal was. So he says to me that either I get an A on all my scenes and plays, or I get a D. No grades in between, he felt I was a good actor but I was slacking or just didn't care, which was true. So be it, in the end I got all the leading roles in the plays and did very well, got an A, and actually liked it , but never pursued it any further than that. It's funny once I get on stage I'm cool, whether it be guitar,singing, acting but from the time I know I am going to go on stage until I say the first word or strum the first note, I'm a total basketcase and nervous beyond belief. I've never been able to shake that stage fright. Anyways I thought that this was an example of making sure you put your best out there, and nothing less, otherwise it will be a D, and will only bring you down. I think it is totally different if your learning or it is a first time for you because thats the only way to learn is by trying, but if you are experienced then putting out your D work is a bad idea. So as much as I don't like the idea of scraping a guitar, it's what should be done, after all it's only wood thats getting scraped not the concept. The concept will be perfected in time and will blow this D attempt awat I'm sure. Keep them doggies rollin'! Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodBlessTexas Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I weep for Drak's tele. Anyway, I've always wondered about bursting. The tutorial on the main page and on ReRanch both show painting black first, but the few professional bursts I've seen done all did the light color first and the black or dark color as the last coat (a la the Blueburst on the Carvin DVD). Is doing dark first just another way to skin the cat or would it be easier to do the light color first and then fan out to the darker color? Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I guess it just depends on what works for you. I do know that it's how Mitch paints a guitar, starting with the base color coat, then burst coats last. Really doesn't matter I guess, as long as you get the end result your looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodBlessTexas Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Yeah, that's how my ex-neighbor who was a autobody and paint guy did the rare guitar he painted, but I never thought to ask him why he did it that way. I did learn a lot of neat tricks using an airbrush from him, but I suck at painting so all the tricks in the world aren't that much help without basic skill. Anyway, to me it just seems like it would be more forgiving since it's easier to cover a lighter color than a dark one. Might be the best way to burst and overlay like that for anyone in the future. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 BTW: Passed through your neck of the woods this weekend and experienced the fine offerings of your local Bob Evans. ← You should have gone up 95 2 more exits there's a Cracker Barrel Actually the Bob Evans on rt 24 is less than a mile from my house. ← Here's the oddity, my family did Cracker Barrel so many times in Frederick, none of us want it anymore. We saw the sign, we selected the Bob Evans and truthfully, it has improved but I won't go as far as saying it was good. None the less you were thought of, discussed and unfortunately passed over (every time I start babbling about guitars, all my ladies roll da eyes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 ← Well, I finally get the chance to reply and you've wiped the post. But....I still had it in my inbox so... All views and comments noted. Certainly you're not an idiot and I was in no way lecturing (well maybe a little). I would just like to see some of this great stuff get completed! I don't believe since I've been here I've seen you complete a guitar you've shown in progress, I might be mistaken? The first thing that comes to mind is 'Throwing out the baby with the bath water' is usually not the best approach but it's your trip and I'm only along for the ride. So.....best of luck on (Whack) 'Rawhide'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I have always maintained that a lot of people really don't understand my reasons for doing what I do, and so therefore cannot understand at times why I do what I do, and they may never understand it for all I know. And I don't have any real mission to make everyone understand it either. That's just the way it is. I'm happy as a clam myself. And there's waaaay more going on here at the castle than I show pics of, so you're just going to have to believe me when I say that that guitar was no big loss at all and just let it go, there's way too much good stuff going on to worry about that old has-been corpse. __________________ Edited To Add: Actually, maybe I can put it into context, in a way. A good songwriter could probably write 50 songs in a year. But of those 50, he would probably think a few were not up to par, some needed more polishing, some would be genuine pieces of art when they're done, etc. etc. etc...it's really no different with me. I just did a head-count, and there are TWENTY TWO guitars here that are past the half-way point of construction. TWENTY TWO. And raw wood for many more, all right here raring to go. Some have been 1/2 finished for several years, some are new. And this is just a hobby, something I like to do when I have the time. I have no agenda for finishing ANY of them. The day they get finished is fine with me, I don't know when that day is coming, but I'm fine with it as it sits. It's just an enjoyable hobby, that's all, so please don't put your expectations on me, I won't wear 'em. I'm not out to prove a single thing, I'm just enjoying myself with a hobby I enjoy doing, so stop taking it so seriously, cuz I don't. So really, how serious could one lil' old green guitar be to me? I have some here that I LOVE, they're just not done yet. Just like a songwriter who might work on one song for a day or two, let it go for awhile and work on some more, that's sort of how it goes here. But some people here look at a guitar as a really permanent object, a ~thing~, not like a song which is just lyrics on paper until actually sung by someone, but I look at the guitars just like a songwriter looks at a half-finished song, there's no difference to me. Does that make sense I hope? PS, I am not going to talk about this or in any way defend my position any further, if you understand it, great, if not, go hire a shrink and talk to them about it. Or just be happy. Happy is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I have always maintained that a lot of people really don't understand my reasons for doing what I do, and so therefore cannot understand at times why I do what I do, and they may never understand it for all I know. ← OK, now I understand that my lack of understanding is understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I'm glad you finally understand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 (edited) Understandably! But some people here look at a guitar as a really permanent object, a ~thing~, not like a song which is just lyrics on paper until actually sung by someone, but I look at the guitars just like a songwriter looks at a half-finished song, there's no difference to me. Does that make sense I hope? Clear as a bell! I’ve worked on tunes that I never finished because they didn’t deserve it (which pretty much encapsulates how you feel..right?). But in reflection I’ve finished songs because of differing perspective that had lain around for years. Doesn’t apply to a guitar, cut wood is cut wood and there are some things you simply can’t edit, it requires a complete do over. Now get me in the studio and I’ll tweak on the same tune forever if I don’t just stop somewhere and call it done! Edited September 9, 2005 by Gorecki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 If you think I give up that easy, you don't know me very well. THIS will be the NEW topper and buttum. Howling in shadows Living in a lunar spell He finds his heaven Spewing from the mouth of hell And when he finds who he’s looking for Listen in awe and you’ll hear him Bark at the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledzendrix1128 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 .... i like this... did i read that ebay auction right.... 12 square feet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Wow! Look at his picture! http://rosebudveneers.com/mys3.JPG It almost looks like tons of small faces trying to break out of the wood. Now that's scary... Does anyone else see it or is it just my sick mind playing tricks on me? haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Wood is some really cool stuff, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkielad Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 It almost looks like tons of small faces trying to break out of the wood. Now that's scary... Does anyone else see it or is it just my sick mind playing tricks on me? haha! No I see it too!! Oh my god that looks good! You need to put that on a guitar now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_A_T_T Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 To those who question Drak smashing his guitars: Drak is a talented builder, and has been building guitar bodies for over tens years as I understand. His guitars, when finally finished, are probably quite good, and better than most members of this forum can produce. Because of this, Drak has extremely high standards when it comes to the quality of his work, as he has tried to explain already. For those that say he should keep them as wall hangers or give them away, you haven't been building guitars for very long. First of all, most builders won't want something that in their eye is a POS hanging around in the shop or living room as their 'inspiration', or have to explain to people that come over, "Oh, it's not my best work, bla bla bla..." and they CERTAINLY wouldn't want to just give it away or sell it because their POS would be out their with their name on it. I used to think my earliest instruments were great, even sold a few, but now regret doing so as I see them as kinda crappy compared to what I'm doing now, especially the very first one a I sold....if I still had it today I'd likely take it to the 'ol bandsaw and turn 'er into scrap! Another example: remember that flamed koa ukulele I had in GOTM a few months back? I built another one similar to it about a year earlier, AAAA-AAAAA flamed koa body, bound top to bottom in ebony.... It was quite good, but over time something about it bugged me, and I eventually smashed it up and threw it out. I could have easily sold it for even a few hundred $$$ but didn't want something I saw as a POS out there with my name on it. If you stick with a craft such as instrument building, or furniture building or painting or any art form for that matter, and persistanly pratice producing the very best quality work you can, you'll eventually get to a certain level where you'll be extremely strick concerning the quality of your work and the tiniest flaw will not be acceptable, only perfection. Those who question Drak's methods are simply not at that level yet. This is why there are builders like Perry & Drak, and then builders like Je...well, we don't need to bring him into this. PS, Drak, if this makes no sense let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 To add a little more to this, it is in nobodies interest to be telling somebody what to do with their creations. If the owner think they are substandard, and he wants to use them as fire wood, so be it. This is the same reason why Gibson has declined in a lot of musicians eyes! Because you don't know what you will get. Sure they will still be a Gibson and probably be way better than any other guitar hangin on the wall, but for those few musicians that had a "vintage" Gibson, they just don't compare to them. In Draks case, why would he give it away or sell it? So that who ever gets it can go and start bashing him because it is a POS. Guitar in this forum and else were online look great and a lot of flaws are not visible in so LOW res pics posted. Once you get them in front of you is that you can really critizice the craftmanship. And I understand why Drak would never want to give up a body, to be critizice latter on. Take Derek and an example, when he posted the green guitar on the bay, almost all the people here didn't liked that guitar, but to Dereks eyes and the buyer it was OK. But he got a lot of crap because people started to critizice it. He is now making better pieces, and in a few years from now, I bet that he will look back and say that they were not up to his standards. Now its a shame that because a few new members BS'ing and trolling on Draks thread that he lost his bearing and got a vacation from the forum, damn I would had done the same if I was on his place and I know that a lot of us (the older members, be by age or time in the forum) would have done so too. I guess we will have to wait 2 weeks to see how this guitar and the other come up to be done, if he ever decides to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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