!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/dea.../EXPLORENEW.jpg Ok Im geting started on this new design, now I wount be building the neck but No shop means very few tools and no space to work, now this guitar will be for me ONLY and if the design works out I may put it in the works as a BRUTALIZER but its hard to tell now I dont like this headstock on the design so Ive come up with this one http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/dea...headstockex.jpg and this is the design for the botom of the fret board http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/dea...rrrretboard.jpg Its Going to be a 27" scale neck {I hope} Custom pickup if not than EMG 45DC I want the guitar painted in this pearl Green, Im not sure about the Top yet you know me !!METAL MATT!! Com'on Matt, you know that the pic is too big! Edited September 12, 2006 by Maiden69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Madness Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Looks interesting. Already sure about the color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Well I really Like the color of the Back in the Mockup si Im thinking that will be A really cool modern color !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Frank Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Looks cool. What scale length are we talking about here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismoore Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Looks cool also nice work on the 3d designs looks awsome =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Let me know how that 27" scale works out, When I build an 8 it'll be fanned 24.75" to 27". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digideus Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Are you sure about a 27" scale 8 string? What tuning are you going to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Love it Matt. The color is excellent. i have to say I like the new headstock design, but the bottom of the fretboard in the 3D model. it's more streamlined and looks more "natural". What are you using for rendering? komodo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Are you sure about a 27" scale 8 string? What tuning are you going to use? Low tuneing F# - 27" the bottom of the fretboard in the 3D model. it's more streamlined and looks more "natural". You may have A point there, this is a very clean guitar with nice lines I think I might stick with the 3D design !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exafro Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 How well do you think this thing will balance? That is going to be a pretty heavy neck, and with no upper horn to speak of, it might take a nose dive. I like the rendering though, looks great. Sick color too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Brian Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I can't wait to see this thing in production. I'm loving the lower spike on that thing and I think the deep green is going to look amazing on this. Any ETA for starting the body? Any chance you could do a render with an inline headstock? I'm really curious to know what that would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Hears one Idea !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Big improvement IMHO I NEVER thought I'd have to suggest this for one of your designs Matt- but maybe it should be a little more pointy? The point on the tip looks a little too subtle imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The royal consort Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Realy nice maybe a slight tweek to the ratios or the carve or shape or somthing on the bottom 'impailer' spike and I think it'll be right up there with that truly awe inspiring cross guitar you did. PS a little off topic but as a man with a true talent for orginal design I was wondering if you could give a little advice on asthetics.... any good books on ratio and angles... I can never get my designs to look quite 'right' if you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digideus Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Are you sure about a 27" scale 8 string? What tuning are you going to use? Low tuneing F# - 27" Hmmm, I checked out Dougs notes on the Blackmachine 8 strings. heres what he has to say regarding the scale length.... I sought an ideal balance between string response, sustain and character. But with a low a F# and high E this was going to be a challenge. An average bass has a .100 gauge tuned to E over 34". But a .100 gauge would be difficult to play on a guitar. A .80 would be the limit I suppose. But this is tuned to A on a bass and we want to go down 3 or 4 half steps to F# or F and use a shorter scale, both factors bad for tension. I tried it out. I took a Fender short scale bass and tuned it down 4 half steps to C so the A string was at F, and found there was just enough tension for decent string response. Another half step and the tone was gone. That was the limit then. 27" or 28" scale for 8 strings was ruled out, due to unacceptably low tension. Going longer to 32" or 33" or so would be great, but I wanted to keep it as playable as I could, keeping the frets as close as possible to each other. I also wanted to be able to use conventional guitar string packs for the high strings. I did not want to go to .008 to achieve low enough tension on long scale for the high E for reasons of reliability. Compound scale length is also an excellent solution to the problems of extended range guitar, check out some of the amazing work by Conklin, but I wasn't ready for the culture shock of using fanned frets just yet. So 30 inches / 762mm scale was settled upon. I think this is why people have problems getting the F# to intonate on 8 string guitars. The tension just isnt there for the string to be playable. I guess you could get away with 29"? What do you think Matt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Frank Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I NEVER thought I'd have to suggest this for one of your designs Matt- but maybe it should be a little more pointy? Heh. I was kinda thinkin' the same, especially as far as the headstock. Just a little more pointy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I like the 4-a-side headstock design - I personally would reverse it to oppose the sweep of the body. I did this on the Iceman and it looks so much better and "balanced". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I sought an ideal balance between string response, sustain and character. But with a low a F# and high E this was going to be a challenge. An average bass has a .100 gauge tuned to E over 34". But a .100 gauge would be difficult to play on a guitar. A .80 would be the limit I suppose. But this is tuned to A on a bass and we want to go down 3 or 4 half steps to F# or F and use a shorter scale, both factors bad for tension. I tried it out. I took a Fender short scale bass and tuned it down 4 half steps to C so the A string was at F, and found there was just enough tension for decent string response. Another half step and the tone was gone. That was the limit then. 27" or 28" scale for 8 strings was ruled out, due to unacceptably low tension. Going longer to 32" or 33" or so would be great, but I wanted to keep it as playable as I could, keeping the frets as close as possible to each other. I also wanted to be able to use conventional guitar string packs for the high strings. I did not want to go to .008 to achieve low enough tension on long scale for the high E for reasons of reliability. Compound scale length is also an excellent solution to the problems of extended range guitar, check out some of the amazing work by Conklin, but I wasn't ready for the culture shock of using fanned frets just yet. So 30 inches / 762mm scale was settled upon. WOW!!! well he would know much more than me lol hes been building 8-strings for a few years me this is my first and with the headstock maybe I should use the IMPALER headstock add some length and do it reversed !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 (edited) You know how to figure this out? Go to Guitar Center and grab a 34" scale 6-string bass, and try to fret a power chord at the 3rd fret....that's (roughly) how a 1st-fret power chord (G if your lowest string is F#) will feel on a 30" scale guitar using the heaviest strings (having come down by almost 4 inches from the nut). Get the idea? If it feels OK, go with 30 inches. Or go on down the neck (4th fret - 5th fret) until it feels like you can do it without doing gymnastics, and there's your scale length...just subtract where you are from the nut. It will depend a lot on how large your hands are. A 6-string bass neck is just about as wide as an 8-string guitar neck. Edited September 13, 2006 by erikbojerik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skullsplitter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Hey Matt, nice git bro! I think that for balance, as long as you have the bottom strap knob towards the center of the body and then the other strap knob behind the neck you should be ok for balance. As for the headstock, this git is screaming for a reverse bro!!! Really wicked and curved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 hey matt, its been a while mate! I really like that design by the way! Definately go for it The clear top is class, any more thoughts on it? Consider using 2 pickups? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 well what about something like this? Consider using 2 pickups? NOPE I can really any way with the Cut in the fret board any more thoughts on it? Yes! Ive been thinking about faned frets and freting the botom of the fret board design !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I vote for the above headstock, but with a 4x4 or 5x3 tuner arrangement. That way you could shrink the headstock, cos at the moment its a loittle disproportioned imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I think bens onthe right track with the headstcok, try a 5x3 or 6x2 design. I think 4x4 is too symetrical for this guitar though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I still dont like the headstock so Im going to try this just to see what it would look like !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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