meechauud Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I've been doing some refinishing/ routing work for some friends of mine, and I was recently given a BC Rich Bronze Series Warlock to refinish. It took some time for me to actually get around to starting it, and I assumed it would be quick, given all of the flat surfaces. However, after removing everything I realized that the Volume and Tone knobs were one piece with the pots on the inside. They don't screw off, they are actually one solid piece. I was wondering if any of you folks have any experience with these 'guitars' or could lend me some info. on how to remove the pots without damaging them. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I can't visualize what you mean-- got any photos? Pots are always on the inside, so I'm a bit confused about why that part's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelinchld Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 ive taken apart a bronze series assasin before and i think it had knobs like these http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Knobs/Dome_kno...es.html#details which have a little thing that you actually screw out. usually the knob doesnt screw off of the pot though. if its like a strat or les paul knob you can just wrap something under it , like a shirt, and pull on it. some of the older guitars are harder to get the knobs off, but i dont understand how the could install the pot/knob unless they come apart. pictures would b nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I can feel a " " coming on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_ado Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 nar if his doing refinishing work he would know about the screws on the side of the knob................right?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I've been doing some refinishing/ routing work for some friends of mine, and I was recently given a BC Rich Bronze Series Warlock to refinish. It took some time for me to actually get around to starting it, and I assumed it would be quick, given all of the flat surfaces. However, after removing everything I realized that the Volume and Tone knobs were one piece with the pots on the inside. They don't screw off, they are actually one solid piece. I was wondering if any of you folks have any experience with these 'guitars' or could lend me some info. on how to remove the pots without damaging them. Thanks a lot. What you do is, you get yourself a beaver and turn that little sucker loose. When he finds the guitar he will chew that bad boy up and when he's done, there you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis guitars Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 lol ha ha thats a nice look'n beaver u got there ...jp but i think that its like zeppelin said ... i re did the electronics for a budy of mine and thats how the knobs were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 However, after removing everything I realized that the Volume and Tone knobs were one piece with the pots on the inside. They don't screw off, they are actually one solid piece. In order for that to be true then the tree would have to grow around the shaft between the pot and knob before they could build the guitar So if there is not a screw then you just need to pry the knob off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I don't haved much faith in this refinishing commision working out too well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I don't haved much faith in this refinishing commision working out too well well considering his first post was titled "I'm a finishing newb" only a few months ago I imagine you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meechauud Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 What you do is, you get yourself a beaver and turn that little sucker loose. When he finds the guitar he will chew that bad boy up and when he's done, there you are. Best advice ever, haha. As for the rest of the 'advice', I appreciate it... but I'm not a total noob. The guitar (if you can call a warlock that, -just my opinion folks-) is quite old, relatively. There are no screws on the volume/tone knobs, the knobs themselves are one piece with thier pots, respectively. Fortunately, I managed to take apart the pots themselves without any damage. Yes, that was my last resort. Oh well, problem solved. Thanks Fellas Special thanks to marksound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meechauud Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 I don't haved much faith in this refinishing commision working out too well well considering his first post was titled "I'm a finishing newb" only a few months ago I imagine you're right Sorry about posting twice in a row, I know that most people hate that. Granted yes, relatively, I'm a finishing noob. Not an electronics noob. I have my Journeyman's electricians ticket, I've been building pickups for about 10 years, and work as a sound service technician for a radio station. I've been building, repairing and rebuilding sound equipment for a long, long time. Just because I've only started refinishing guitars, doesn't mean I've just started working on them, Chum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibanezlover Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 I don't think that the pots + knobs were really one piece, they were just put together really tight. Why would B.C. Rich make it like that? It would make it about 10 times as hard to put the guitar together. My Ibanez has no screws on the knobs, I just pulled them off with pliers and they came off fine. (Probably not good for the body, but it worked.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Electronics newb or not,those pots are in no way one piece with the knobs.they are just stuck because they are on tight and have been there a while.I promise that you made a huge mistake,and a mistake that NOBODY I have ever known has ever made. I have had some knobs so stuck that it took very careful work to remove,and some that were plastic even cracked...but most knobs are installed without screws of any kind. Why does every nood say "I am not a noob"?only a person with ZERO guitar experience would make that mistake you made,so next time take the advice you are given instead of risking someone else's instrument that they might actually care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 I tried to be sarcastic and explain before but since you still seem to think its one peice, how the hell did it fit thru that little hole. Now you cant answer that so here is the tool to get the knob off. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Knobs/Special_...lectronics.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 You can also put a shirt or some thin cloth around the knob (to shield the guitar and knob), a piece of wood next to your body, same height, and use the claw of a hammer to lightly pull off the knob. This is what I have to resort to for the Floyd Rose posts on occasions. But it works without damaging anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Yeah thats how I do it, I just wanted to show him that there is a tool for knobs without screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meechauud Posted May 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Electronics newb or not,those pots are in no way one piece with the knobs.they are just stuck because they are on tight and have been there a while.I promise that you made a huge mistake,and a mistake that NOBODY I have ever known has ever made. I have had some knobs so stuck that it took very careful work to remove,and some that were plastic even cracked...but most knobs are installed without screws of any kind. Why does every nood say "I am not a noob"?only a person with ZERO guitar experience would make that mistake you made,so next time take the advice you are given instead of risking someone else's instrument that they might actually care about. ...Cool man. Way to keep the peace as a moderator. Granted maybe no one did that before, do I really care? Not one bit. Even if I did make a mistake, does that inherently mean that I'm an idiot? Wait, wouldn't making fun of people's questions be in violation of forum rules? Hmm... "Most knobs are installed without screws of any kind" well no **** buddy. I never said that you can't take a knob off without there being screws on it. Ever. Also, you ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, there's something that you dont know? I mean, it's clear to me that you're obviously god; but hey, there's a first time for everything. As for "taking the advice you are given instead of risking someone else's instrument that they might actually care about" I was not getting paid for this. This was a favor to a friend. If I did break or damage anything (which I didn't, and the suggested methods said that they had) I would have probably just bought him a new guitar. On that topic still, I wasn't even given any advice at all until you and a couple others mocked my question. With over 20 years of experience working on guitar's electronics, do you think that maybe there's a reason I asked? I've never seen anything like that before. It was really, really wierd; hence my asking. For the record, do you try to belittle everyone who asks a question / tries to find a better solution than the first thing they think of? Because, I was under the impression that this forum was to help people learn, not for insecure people to try to convince others that they're worth life. But since you're a moderator, you'll probably take this post down, ban me from the forum, or try in some frantic way to respond in an effort to make me look like an idiot. So fly at 'er buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meechauud Posted May 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Once again, I appologize for posting twice in a row. That being said, I'd like to thank those of you who weren't so pretentious and judgmental, that being pretty much every other post on this thread aside from Westhemann's. (pmarlin, with regards to "you still seem to think its one peice, how the hell did it fit thru that little hole": the knob and pot were one piece, not the guitar and the knob. I understand why this would be confusing, or seem relatively impossible, but I assure you, it was. I also recognize that this was most likely not a factory setup.) As a final statement on the matter, I don't see why this had to have been such a big deal. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 (pmarlin, with regards to "you still seem to think its one peice, how the hell did it fit thru that little hole": the knob and pot were one piece, not the guitar and the knob. I understand why this would be confusing, or seem relatively impossible, but I assure you, it was. I also recognize that this was most likely not a factory setup.) Just a suggestion for future reference: When something is so out of the ordinary that someone with your years of experience has to go to an internet forum for help, please provide pictures. It will help us help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 I wasnt saying the knob and guitar were one piece. Look at the size of the hole on the body, its just big enough for the shaft to fit through. Now if the pot and knob were one peice, how does it go through that hole? It cant be one peice, the pot is inserted through the hole from the inside and the knob is pressed on from the top. Two seperate pieces. I have had some that were so tight, that like others have experienced, the knob broke while trying to pry it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 It's possible it was superglued to the pot, although I have no idea why someone would want to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 It's possible it was superglued to the pot, although I have no idea why someone would want to do that. That could be it, actually. On the cheaper BC rich models, I've noticed a fair few of reviews commenting on how their knobs fell off. For example, two reviewers say so here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/B.C.-Rich-Metal-Master-Pack?sku=511201 Granted, its a different guitar but it might have the same knob and pot combination being from BC rich also. So, maybe the previous owner's knobs fell off and they decided to superglue them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 i want to see photos of this impossible pot puzzle!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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