Prostheta Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Oh come on??...Environmental effects of lighting a fire? yeah - it aint much is it when its just a guitar burning, but imagine we all went out and set fire to our guitars - imagine what that would do for our carbon footprint!!! i am trying to see the other side that paints us people that want to destroy our own substandard guitars as baby eating devils. Burning things is an enviromental concern but burning wood that has its carbon trapped for a few hundred years at most doesnt really compare to burning fossil fuels which are in essence exactly the same thing but heavily compressed for millions of years, and we all tend to rely on thiose in everyday life. Maybe burning finished guitar will release harmfull chemicals into the environment but i am damn sure its less than spraying them in the first place did!! True. You do worse by farting. The carbon released in burning a relatively small mass of wood is small compared to not heaving your foot on the loud pedal in the car, turning a light off when you're not using it, etc. If you can't stand to see an almost-guitar getting burnt, go drink a glass of water or go save some dolphin or whatever. Donate some Titebond to a pauper luthier. Do a hardware drive at your local school and donate the hardware off your junker cheap Ibanez to a kid builder. Hell, stop wasting my time jabbering on about guitar anti-porn. Art is beautiful, but an artist or artisan who knows the fine difference between standard and substandard has veto on all. Unless you would like a partially deformed Mona Lisa in your living room. One eye? Perhaps a cleft lip. But it's the Mona Lisa dude! Perhaps two eyebrows are too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGman Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Whoa...away for a few hours and theres all this bitching about burning guitars? Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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erikbojerik Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I went to vote for "ban me" but couldn't find it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlexVDL Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 No worries, I'm gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I don't think anyone really read my earlier replies. I DO use all the wood I can. Heck, just ask any of the guys who REALLY know me on this forum, I'm always talking about getting the most money out of a piece of wood, I've even got a chart of sizes for a special way I've found to make necks out of wood that most would consider too small to ever get a neck out of. And like I said, what are you going to get out of an already carved neck with a hollow body? Veneers in the shape of a guitar? Please, the guitar was 100% useless by the time I trashed it. Plus, the fire it went into was a bon-fire at a friend's party, which was being lit ANYWAYS and they would have put more on if it weren't for my guitars. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 No worries, I'm gone Your attitude is truly sad at this point. It really does not matter, your making a mountain out of a mole hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 No worries, I'm gone Your attitude is truly sad at this point. It really does not matter, your making a mountain out of a mole hill. I think Alex realizes I was kidding...that's why the --> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 No worries, I'm gone Your attitude is truly sad at this point. It really does not matter, your making a mountain out of a mole hill. I think Alex realizes I was kidding...that's why the --> No I really think he left over it. But I could be wrong. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 He has changed all his responses to this except this one!! ive just relic'd a brand new guitar, and i have to say it was really fun. Chucked it around the carpark, scratched it, sanded it, rusted it, wore it in, wore it out, deglossed, bumped, bashed, bla bla. Couldnt bring myself to wear out the brand new floyd or gotoh tuners, but the electronics didnt miss the aging process The audience reaction... "WHOAAAA thats fricken cool!!" Chuck the body and neck in the freezer for a few hours, then out into the warm sun. You'll hear it cracking INSTANTLY. The hotter the sun, or colder the body, the bigger the cracks Dodgy huh? not quite sure what the aim of that was but if he wants to undermine peoples credentials he really chose his 'victims' badly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryovanni Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Oh my , I found pictures of burning guitars to be childish and a poor message for begginers to see when I saw the first WOD post. Actually I thought is was a VERY lame thing to do. After a while I came to understand a little better how "haunted"(for lack of a better term) I had become over a couple projects that never quite worked for me, yet I kept them with the intent of getting back to them when I figured out how I wanted to proceed. Problem is that those kind of projects can weigh on you after a while and take away from projects you are enjoying. After understanding this I could see the logic and it made sense. To this day, I have yet to actually burn a project (I say burn, but I mean get rid of). I do feel an odd sort of pressure from some of the projects that are "back burnered" so to speak. I have issues with being overly critical of my own work, I also have issues with not finishing something- and so I have to work that stuff out some day. So I don't have a problem with others putting a project behind them, and it makes sense to me. I see how begginers could get the wrong idea, and not get it or take it as a cop out. This could lead to them not working through mistakes that teach us so much, and really improve our skills. So I would say a bit of caution should be exersized when a person posts a pic of this or even chats about putting exhausted work behind them. Peace,Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpa Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) It all boils down to the amount of and what kind of resources / experience a person accumulates over the years. Yeah, I can see someone wince when a person trashes, burns, annihilates (or whatever your poison), a bookmatched 5A quilted maple-topped mahogany project because it has some minor flaws that don't pass their particular personal inspection. For a lot of beginners its probably the only wood they have for their project and they paid dearly for it. For some others, who have been doing it for a while, it might be done without a second glance because they have a roomful of 5A quilted maple and prime straight-grained mahogany that they have accumulated over many years of guitar building. You could consider it a cop out to trash a project just because of a few flaws. It depends on the flaws. If they render the guitar literally untuneable, unplayable etc. without even the slightest possiblity of correction then I would deem it to be firewood. But where I come from there is ALWAYS a way to make it right. I've had guitars that I've stripped down to bare wood over and over (up to a dozen times) before I found a finish, method, "look" that worked for ME. I'm not a pro by any means and look forward to each experience thinking "maybe this time I'll nail it". I look at it as gaining more experience than anything else, the guitar is a testing ground for numerous materials, tools methods etc. Each time I'll try something different. If I get "sick up and fed" with it I'll put it down and leave it until I'm in a better mood. If you have only ONE look in mind from the beginning then its a more difficult process. And if, somewhere along the way, you do something that destroys the possibility of getting "that look" and no other look will substitute, then the build is considered worthless. Some people have set lofty goals for themselves and take a lot of pride in their work. Remember, "A job worth doing, is worth doing well", this also reflects the person's general work ethic and some of their personality. I am very flexible and my plans are constantly changing throughout the building stages. I only plan things up to a point in regards to precision, balance and overall structure, that is, the functional aspects of the guitar. After all, if those things aren't "right" then I won't have a comfortable, playable guitar. But my finishing materials, methods and madness can change at a whim. If you DO decide to trash a guitar and want to show it to the world then I would expect to hear a reason for it. 1. "I'm a legend in my own mind and a temperamental prima donna. My vanity prohibits me from producing sub-standard work or it will tarnish my otherwise flawless reputation." 2. "I honestly don't know what I'm doing and and can't find a way to dig out the dry wall mud that I used to fill those great big tearout hole thingies. The paint wouldn't stick to it! Btw, could anyone tell me what a 'scale length' is???!!" 3. "Damn its COLD! The power went out weeks ago and we've burned the last of our furniture! I may as well share the warmth with all you folks out at Project Guitar. Look at the pretty colors!" Edited October 13, 2007 by Southpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGman Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 If you DO decide to trash a guitar and want to show it to the world then I would expect to hear a reason for it. 1. "I'm a legend in my own mind and a temperamental prima donna. My vanity prohibits me from producing sub-standard work or it will tarnish my otherwise flawless reputation." 2. "I honestly don't know what I'm doing and and can't find a way to dig out the dry wall mud that I used to fill those great big tearout hole thingies. The paint wouldn't stick to it! Btw, could anyone tell me what a 'scale length' is???!!" 3. "Damn its COLD! The power went out weeks ago and we've burned the last of our furniture! I may as well share the warmth with all you folks out at Project Guitar. Look at the pretty colors!" One of those reasons is going somewhere, either in my profile or signature!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 1. "I'm a legend in my own mind and a temperamental prima donna. My vanity prohibits me from producing sub-standard work or it will tarnish my otherwise flawless reputation." What's so stupid is how they indicate that the destroying is *proof* that *they* have high standards, and being opposed to it is proof that that person has poor standards. I've had that said about me twice on this forum. As far as I know, I have never had a customer say work I did was sub-standard. In fact, most find it the best work they ever had done. Don't ever pull that crap over at the gear page, because they have a strict policy about making false negative claims about a business. The only truthful "bad thing" that can be said about the way I do business is that I'm often slow and sometimes get burnt-out on doing the same thing over and over, but that's because I do it the best way it can be done. If I had low pride in my work, I guess I could crank it out faster. I'm not able to do that. I did smash a guitar in my teens. The screw-up which influenced me to do the stupid smashing haunts me a little still, 20 years later, and so does the smashing (because with the abilities I have now, there would have been no need for the smashing). And I don't mean that crapped projects should be finished anyway. I learn a hell of a lot by doing experiments over and over on a scrap maple fret-board that didn't meet my standards for going on a neck 15 years ago. A lot of repair work is harder than building from scratch, and it's often hard to find a piece of scrap wood that has the right look. I know some builders can't stand the idea that repair work takes more skill than the building they do, because of that "vanity" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 He has changed all his responses to this except this one!! ive just relic'd a brand new guitar, and i have to say it was really fun. Chucked it around the carpark, scratched it, sanded it, rusted it, wore it in, wore it out, deglossed, bumped, bashed, bla bla. Couldnt bring myself to wear out the brand new floyd or gotoh tuners, but the electronics didnt miss the aging process The audience reaction... "WHOAAAA thats fricken cool!!" Chuck the body and neck in the freezer for a few hours, then out into the warm sun. You'll hear it cracking INSTANTLY. The hotter the sun, or colder the body, the bigger the cracks Dodgy huh? not quite sure what the aim of that was but if he wants to undermine peoples credentials he really chose his 'victims' badly!! Alex has a reputation for acting like a child every now and again, then running away for a while, before sliding back into things here, then acting like a child, running away.... I think he just had a sugar rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Doesn't necessarily mean he left because of this particular thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) We're not saying the fact that we destroy substandard work MEANS we have super high standards. If you read back I said quite the opposite. I don't have perfect builds by ANY means yet. And it's a constant learning, but EVERYONE has a point where they've gotta go, "this can't be a good guitar by any standards, time to cut 'er loose." And as for the personal attack, I didn't say that you did crap work, how the hell would I know? I said that if you're WILLING to keep a guitar alive that's most definitely not up to MOST people's standards, then you don't have pride in your work. Chris Edited October 14, 2007 by verhoevenc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hear hear Chris. I think people can learn a lot from knowing where that point is and accepting it so they can move on and makes themselves better. By doing so you allow yourself the opportunity to learn and progress, otherwise you lower your future potential by lowering your own targets and accepting the crap shots you make. I personally would donate stuff to other people if they could benefit from it and it didn't reflect on my lack of craftmanship. If I screwed up a headstock shape and gave it away rather than write it off, out there somewhere would be something I accepted as being good enough just by not writing it off. Not good enough. I don't have a shop full of wood to WOD, but the stuff I do use which I cock up needs to be written off for my own progression unless I can make it back into some kind of non-guitar-component-shaped-lumber which someone else can use ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibreakemineedtobuildem Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 My name says it all. I prefer to smash mine on BadTone days. If it's a BadTone day,I will smash whatever I have in my hand.Without a doubt. Playing the guitars is not the only part of the outlet for me. It's wrong,but that's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 My name says it all. I prefer to smash mine on BadTone days. If it's a BadTone day,I will smash whatever I have in my hand.Without a doubt. Playing the guitars is not the only part of the outlet for me. It's wrong,but that's the way it is. and thats why I don't lend my gear out to anyone. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdguitars Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 burn em all let god sort them out. used to be against burning... as you build more and more you have higher standards. yes its sad that good wood went to waste but its like everthing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 See, i dont see it as a waste - and i know lots of people will disagree with me on that one. You have used the wood - it has been good practice and you probably learnt something from it. Afterall, we tend to learn more from our frustrating projects and mistakes than we do our sucesses. The guitar may not get to live forever but it has served a purpose in its short life!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Seems like I just read where even Gibson is burning their rejects now. If it's good enough for Gibson ... um ... yeah. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 That'll be a small fire then. What we would consider rejects end up as shelf items.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGman Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 That'll be a small fire then. What we would consider rejects end up as shelf items.... Too true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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