YDoesGodMockMeSo Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Anyone have any detailed pics of a PRS Single cutaway (Or the Tremonti signature) guitar. Got an extra body from Carvin by accident (theirs, not mine). So I'm already planning my second guitar. a Les Paul / PRS SingleCut. Just looking for some pics of the stuff. Dunno what I'm gonna doo (bolton or setneck) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Dont do a bolt or a set neck do a deep tenon. best neck out there. I prefer the singlecut shape. I tihnk it gets more sustain than a les. mehbe thats because of les pauls stupid glued in neck. go to edroman guitars. have a ton of pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 there is nothing wrong with a set neck...a les paul has less sustain and tone transfer because of a poor fit in the neck pocket,NOT the glue.i say this all the time .an alphetic resin(titebond) glue joint ,done properly,has almost NO glue in it.most of it sqeezes out during clamping if the fit is right.a deep set tenon actually has more glued surface than a set neck.it just has a larger mating surface for tone transfer. this type of glue creates a bond,not a large glue line.epoxy,on the other hand requires a larger glue line,which imo will cut down on tone transfer.so use titebond or an equivilent and make a snug fit and all will be well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 there is nothing wrong with a set neck...a les paul has less sustain and tone transfer because of a poor fit in the neck pocket,NOT the glue.i say this all the time .an alphetic resin(titebond) glue joint ,done properly,has almost NO glue in it.most of it sqeezes out during clamping if the fit is right.a deep set tenon actually has more glued surface than a set neck.it just has a larger mating surface for tone transfer. this type of glue creates a bond,not a large glue line.epoxy,on the other hand requires a larger glue line,which imo will cut down on tone transfer.so use titebond or an equivilent and make a snug fit and all will be well. Standing Ovation!!!!! Well Said Sir. I hate it when people blame bad sustain on a certain method of building. when done right, any method will give good sustain. Bolt on, set neck,deep set tennon, neck thru will all sustain very well if the tolerances are kept to a minimum at the neck joint. Gibsons sound bad because the tolerances are very loose in the neck joint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 While 'on paper', the deep-set tenon neck looks to be a superior transfer device (and for all I know it probably is) I wholeheartedly agree with Wes and Scott, and I'll take it one step further than that... My '73 LPC has as much sustain as -anyone- could ask for. I mean, past a certain decent point of sustain, what does any more really matter??? And I build nothing but bolt-ons myself, and I'd love to hear someone tell me any of my guitars lack in the sustain dept. I usually build the pocket so tight you have to work the neck out slowly and carefully, else you chip off some paint around the edges. Every one of my hand-builts has a very very tight neck pocket. I don't think mine suffer any in the 'transfer' dept. My bottom-line acid test is the 10th row rule: If you couldn't hear the difference with a full band playing from the 10th row, it probably ain't worth the extra trouble...Just me... And personally, I don't even really 'shoot for' major sustain, I just build 'em as best I can using common sense and experience, and let the chips fall where they may, sustain-wise, tone-wise, resonance-wise, etc... I think there are so many interactive elements going on in a guitar, it's actually very hard to pull just one element out and say this one is better than that one because of just one element. Chambering a body (usually) reduces sustain a bit, as the hollowness eats up some of the transfer, but, isn't that what your shooting for to begin with? A slightly 'hollowness' to the tone? So aren't you purposely sacrificing a bit of sustain to gain more in the 'overall tone' dept.? So if someone dogged that guitar in the sustain dept., it might well have a richer, superior tone in the end than another with 'endless sustain'? I really think a lot of this stuff gets put under a microscope too often to really matter much in the end... PS, an old friend of mine had a vintage solidbody Rickenbacker guitar. That thing had endless sustain (solid Maple body) but was severly lacking in the 'tone' dept. It was pretty lifeless, but with (Hey!) great sustain... AFAIC, if it's built *well*, any 'normal' neck mounting method will work just fine for sustain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazyderek Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 My bottom-line acid test is the 10th row rule: If you couldn't hear the difference with a full band playing from the 10th row, it probably ain't worth the extra trouble...Just me... And personally, I don't even really 'shoot for' major sustain, I just build 'em as best I can using common sense and experience, and let the chips fall where they may, sustain-wise, tone-wise, resonance-wise, etc... i don't really agree with the 10th row rule there but for me tone is more of a personal thing, i'm a solo player and i just play along with a backing track cd thru the PA system, so the only thing i'm really "feeling" tone wise is the sound in my hand gets on a certain fingerboard, and on my chest/stomach (body), along with what my amp produces, althought to me woods sound so unbeleivably different, some spectators ya play for or people new to playing can't really notice any tonal differences especially distorted, it's something u almost have to try and listen for to notice, or just notice over time. Course i'm always the last one to catch on to things so maybe it's just me. on the other hand i like to agree with drak, it's a guitar, not a percision built satelite from nasa, althought it does have to be built well in order to sound good, spending overly amounts of time worying about gaining 10ms more sustain for a chord is kinda foolish.. plus diversity is fun and sometimes delightlfully suprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Done got ass kicked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Go Snork!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyB Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 You can get a blue print from Stewey-Mac's for a 50's LP: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Books,_plans/P...uitar_Plan.html This is the plan I'll be using for my guitar. It should be in the mail now -- I'll let you know how it is when it gets here. I'd also recommend going down to your local book shop to get any book that might show the wiring and bridge assembly in a bit more detail. I scored a Gibson LP repair book at a yard sale for $5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryeisnotcool2 Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 as far as the neck joint thing, build the thing good anyway, it takes no more time to build it perfect than it does to build it sloppy. and in the end you will be proud of what you build and not curse yourself out for being impatient and just slapping it together. "its a guitar not a nasa satalite" i take great offense to this comment derek because a guitar is way better than any sattalite nasa builds! music is what the world revolves around not no stupid satalite! and besides nasa is just another avenue that the government launders our tax money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I think his point was not that sattelites are better, but that they have to be exactly precise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Also, I think this thread is beggining to digress...anyone wanna post on the original topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YDoesGodMockMeSo Posted November 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 ^yeah i agree. where are my pics people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyB Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Here are just some quick pics that came up in google. None of them are great pics, but you should get a pretty good idea of how the countours are laid out. http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics...s/51/519903.jpg http://www.mark-tremonti.com/m-tprs-1024.JPG http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/6b/c1/...rsSinglecut.jpg http://www.fredsmusic.com/images/.prs/prss...glecut_3549.jpg http://www.fredsmusic.com/images/.prs/prss...ut_8356_csb.jpg http://www.fredsmusic.com/images/.prs/prss...gcutva_6190.jpg http://www.fredsmusic.com/images/.prs/prss...ssc5206_frt.jpg http://www.buffalobrosguitars.com/buffalob...ecut/index.html That last one should be especially helpful. These are all just off the first page of return from google. If that's not enough, you can go on to the second page http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=...+single+cutaway Hope this helped some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 My collection of SC pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JackyB Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 I didn't realize how good contoured heels can look. Nice pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 huh? contoured heel? am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyB Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 This best example in the pictures you posted is the teal one in this picture: http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/...9/417925_20.jpg It's also in the brown one below, but more obvious in the teal. Contoured heel is when the cutaway is sanded down a bit... Allows better access to the higher frets. Maybe countoured heel isn't the right word for it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Ah, the trademarked PRS "scoop". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyB Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Yep that's it. It doesn't appear to be on all their SC's though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckguitarist Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 uhh...contoured heel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 They all have it. Even the Tremonti has it...just harder to see in pics. Speaking of the tremonti, the girls at the front counter that think Im cute let me trace a tremonti body (not the SE) with a sharpie!...I'll find a way to post a template.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 They all have it. Even the Tremonti has it...just harder to see in pics. Speaking of the tremonti, the girls at the front counter that think Im cute let me trace a tremonti body (not the SE) with a sharpie!...I'll find a way to post a template.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyB Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Speaking of the tremonti, the girls at the front counter that think Im cute let me trace a tremonti body (not the SE) with a sharpie!...I'll find a way to post a template.... Sweetness. Be sure to 'donate' it to the download section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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