Hotrock Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 I've just found a new material for inlays that is going to look the absolute business on my new guitar. Not telling any of you what it is though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezerboy Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 f**k off then :0 EDIT: i can't believe i spent my 400th post telling someone to **** off!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGM Guitars Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 I've just found a new material for inlays that is going to look the absolute business on my new guitar. Not telling any of you what it is though How much you want to bet it's already been used? Why post something like that and then not even say what it is? This is a forum to help people dude, it's like if you posted asking a question and somebody said "I know the answer, but I'm not telling you" Lame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_jeremy Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 we're jerks? screw off. why post that. WHY would you post that. besides being obnoxious, its just rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 eeeek. sorry jeremy. i didnt mean that i thought that you started the thread my bad. but that is a pointless post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsera Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Hi Jeremy, would you consider cuting inlays for other people (just cuting no actual inlay work)and if yes a ballpark figure as to what you would want for the work(yes I know you want money but just how much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsl602000 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 hey hotrod, wouldn't that be the teeth you lost in your latest motor accident? I don't think you're a jerk though.. you're Brittish and I accept that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 hey hotrod, wouldn't that be the teeth you lost in your latest motor accident? I don't think you're a jerk though.. you're Brittish and I accept that... i doubt it...too brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsl602000 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 i doubt it...too brown looks great on flamed maple though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_jeremy Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Yeeks! No, I didn't start the thread and don's know what rsera is talking about but I don't cut inlays (something to work on for the next project...). I just thought that it was quite useless for that hotrod/hotrock/whatever guy/girl to post that without telling people what it was. I guess he just doesn't get that this place is about helping each other out. Sorry if I pissed some people off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Hotrock, I made the wiring diagram that you need in the other post, but now that I read this post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckguitarist Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Yeeks! No, I didn't start the thread and don's know what rsera is talking about but I don't cut inlays (something to work on for the next project...). I just thought that it was quite useless for that hotrod/hotrock/whatever guy/girl to post that without telling people what it was. I guess he just doesn't get that this place is about helping each other out. Sorry if I pissed some people off lgm guitars is also named jeremy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butnut Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 My guess it's this stuff... Inlay sticker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 My guess it's this stuff... Inlay sticker Tried the dots and they stick up too high. When bending I always felt them and sometimes the string would ride underneath them and move them around. Good idea, but if you bend alot it might not be adventageous to use the dots. I am not sure about the larger pieces. But, there is still the possibility of catching a sring on them> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotrock Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Chill out guys, of course I'm gonna tell you all what it is. Just teasing. I was going to wait until the samples came through the post and give them a test before I let anyone else waste their time or money. BUT, as you lot obviously think I'm a dickhead - it's a material called Dichroic Glass and is very hard when fired. The dichroic coating is on the back so will not rub off. Providing the fired glass will not wear down with the strings and the back of the inlay is painted black it should look the absolute business (I got my girlfriend some dichroic glass jewllery for her birthday which got me in her good books). There you go then, now you know and you can go and spend money you haven't got trying something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGM Guitars Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Nobody was trying to be a jerk, but your first post could have been made a lot more diplomatically by saying, I've found this new material that I think will work for inlay called Dichroic glass, I'm going to experiment with it and will let you know how it works. Explain what it is, what it looks like, etc. Discussion on a new material is wonderful, but when it becomes a top secret post like that it's irritating, specifically on a site where so many people go out of their way to help others out. for all you know somebody on here has experimented with this Dichoic glass in inlay already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdefino Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 it's a material called Dichroic Glass and is very hard when fired. The dichroic coating is on the back so will not rub off. Providing the fired glass will not wear down with the strings and the back of the inlay is painted black it should look the absolute business. I have been a lighting designer for nearly 15 years. I have worked with Dichroics for most of it. I can tell you first hand that it will scratch (quite easily in fact). I would also recommend that if you want to get the most out of it you should put a light source behind it... like a white LED. Then it will change color depending on where you stand. Panting the back black will basically make the glass look black. You could get the same effect with any glass if that is your intention The basic principal of the Dichroic filter that is fired onto the glass is that it deflects all other wavelengths of light. So in essence... If you have Dichroic glass that is rated at 525 nanometers (which is red by the way) and you shoot a full spectrum light (white) at it, every other color other than 525nm will be reflected back away from the glass while allowing the one chosen wavelength to pass through. People that design Dichroic lighting fixtures usually use a reflector kit behind the light source so that all bounced back light from the Dichroic filter gets re-used. This makes the light appear to be brighter. Back to the color changing aspect... Since Dichroic glass only allows one wavelength to pass though when you look at the glass from different angles you can see other colors of the spectrum on the surface of the glass even though the light emanating is only one color. Here is a chart to know what nanometer to choose for custom colors: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/po...ght/michellevy/ Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syxxstring Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Clear resin Anybody think this stuff would work to just route out your inlay and then fill in with the clear or tinted stuff? Seems like it would cut a lot of work out of vines and pyramids if it dries clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 now that guy... knows what hes doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Resin i believe is quite the soft type if im not mistaken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syxxstring Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 General purpose polyester lay-up resin. ( from 1kg) Lay-up/laminating resin, thixotropic, pre-accelerated, Used for laminating glass fibre, also for impregnation of timber in boats and roof sheathings, this most commonly used resin lends itself to 1000s of repair and construction applications e.g.: roofs, boats, cars, canoes, surf boards, fishing boxes, trays, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGM Guitars Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Clear resin Anybody think this stuff would work to just route out your inlay and then fill in with the clear or tinted stuff? Seems like it would cut a lot of work out of vines and pyramids if it dries clear. There are a couple problems with using plain resin. 1. When you use pure resin your routes have to be perfect or of course your inlay will look jagged. 2. Pure resin typically develops bubbles when mixed, these can be alleviated by heating the resin with a hair drier or something but this makes problem number 3 even more dramatic. 3. The resin will not stand up above it's natural level same as water, but it will cling to the sides of the inlay route due to surface tension creating the wet appearance of being full, however, as it dries, you will see that there is actually a dish, if you warm the resin as in problem 2, it becomes even more runny and will sink even more. 4. 99% of resins shrink a little as they cure, this means you will have to add more resin. 5. VERY few resins actually dry clear, or stay clear over time, most epoxies will yellow over time even if they dry clear. 6. Using a paper pattern under the resin for your inlay coloring and image is difficult for a couple reasons. first the resin often will cause the ink to run or smear. Secondly, the resin will saturate any part of the paper that is not sealed or is left exposed and darken it. Third, if you heat your resin the paper will actually try to float to the top How do I know this? well, I tried experimenting with different resins and the ONLY one that stays clear and bubble free is casting resin, but it is to thin to build up something like the fretboard radius with. Oh yeah, one other thing, all component resins heat up when they cure, if you are using thin plastics or paper underneath, the heat can also be damaging to the inlay. There is alot of reasons why these methods aren't in use today, they've been tried, but usually, if something seems to good to be true, it typically is. Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butnut Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Great info on the glass and resin. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotrock Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Panting the back black will basically make the glass look black. You could get the same effect with any glass if that is your intention Cheers funkdefino, I was just going on what the bloke on the other end of the phone said. I was hoping to fire it like the dichroic they use in jewellery, which he said is harder. BUT, I bow down to your superior knowledge and trust that it won't work (might keep it in mind for a headstock inlay though). Sorry if I knicked the jam out of anyones donut with the first post, really wasn't my intention. (Or the second for that matter, had a really bad morning and fired up the net to be called a jerk, got on my goat a bit - sorry my bad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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