lovekraft Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Before I begin, let me apologize in advance if the following sounds mean-spirited or nasty - it's always possible that I'm over-reacting to what's been said here. I need some clarification here - if you're unwilling to name names in an attempt to hammer out a soultion to what you see as a huge problem, and you've made no attempt to contact this mod who is surrepitously deleting your posts for his own nefarious reasons, what are you doing other than whining? Doesn't the concept of open discussion include the right of others not to take your concerns seriously, and isn't it also implicit that open means laying one's cards on the table, not saying things like "a certain person"? I'll admit that it's a good PR technique - damning others by insinuation without using specific examples completely avoids the possibility that others may think the outrages you've suffered inconsequential. You obviously feel you have a personal problem with a specific individual - either contact that individual privately and work it out, or identify him/her/it and cite specific examples of his bad behavior so the world can judge the seriousness of the offense(s). Anything less is a waste of time and bandwidth - if you just need to vent, there are more appropriate fora available. Quote Link to comment
Kevan Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 CerealK is still a Moderator here, and will continue to be one. He's not as visible as the rest of us, but then again...none of us have emigrated to a new country in the last year- let alone a new hemisphere (29C on Christmas day? LOL). Simon is also a doctor. Yes- a real, live doctor. As in a buttload of schooling. He's currently working on brain diseases and degerative eye disorders. While working on guitars isn't brain surgery to us, it sort of is for him. Quote Link to comment
psw Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 In case people missed it...this, from me, still applies... I'm tempted not to add to the current overdose of miscontent amoungst us...but...really I think the tetchy replies are far out wieghed by the overall camaraderie around here and the really helpful replies... In short, even though I've been critical...it really is pretty mild...not just compared to other forums but even compared to some stuff that's happened in the past, right here... I'm not trying to be sychophantic here, I really think it's the truth, PG is a great resource and a great place to visit....there's some great stuff going on here and these threads and the "odd" (and I mean odd in every sense) comment here and there should not overwhelm what is a really good thing... For my part, take a look at the Sustainer Sounds thread (he says blowing his own horn)...for the first time you can actually hear what the infamous, 18 month old, 61 page long, 900+ post, 18-19,000 visit thread has been about... But there are plenty of great discussions going on around the place, super thin solid bodies, peoples projects...check out this months GOTM entries (how are we going to choose!?)...fantastic stuff.... I'd just like to suggest we all check out the positives out here...there's plenty of them... That's all from me... peace.gif pete I fully agree with you on this! ← Now there's two guys who very much disagreed recently to the extent that the thread was closed...I PMed why and immediately got a response from two moderators...both Kevan and Wes...as Wes suggested here, I already knew why, but a question to be sure and the question answered...no problem Like bluespresence said we all get along, but when someone comes and stirs us up, it takes a while to let it go, but it's not worth it. We are all wasting hours that could have been used for our projects, building or learning. Well anyways thats just how I feel, an opinion. Jason ← There you go...more agreement from two guys at each others throats in an off topic matter...further agreement...no problem Hmm, I dunno. There's something about this forum lately that really ****** me off but I can't put my finger on it. ← Perhaps it's all these distracting threads...sure they get a lot of viewers...it's kind of like car racing, boring as hell till they start to crash into one another...or maybe it's like Springer...pointless till there's a cat fight... Just...can't...look...a.wa.y... But if you only had to move one in, you could have stared at the girl for longer ← You know....these Mod's are "hired" to do a job...if they get the job done, that's fine by me...I don't feel the need to tell 'em how to do it...that's why I hired them so they could work it out....(but for technical improvements...notify brian...as even I've been told before when making suggestions...speaking to the wrong department, I fear...) Quick question - are all the moderators either American or Austrailian? ← Err Austrailia whos from Austrailia ← Added emphisis to highlight irony...there's no such place as Austrailia.... ...is there CerealK is still a Moderator here, and will continue to be one. He's not as visible as the rest of us, but then again...none of us have emigrated to a new country in the last year- let alone a new hemisphere (29C on Christmas day? LOL). ← Well...as an Austrailian...given the relatively small population, it's wide dispersal (Perry is over 3000 miles from me, for instance) and it's short western history...we are all stranger's here in a very strange land... Furthermore...I'd actually forgotten about CerealK, but it would seem to me if the guy's in some lab somewhere working out a cure for brain diseases in some far off place, that's exactly the kind of Mod we need...might put an end to these interminal threads... . p Quote Link to comment
westhemann Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 'd actually forgotten about CerealK, but it would seem to me if the guy's in some lab somewhere working out a cure for brain diseases in some far off place, that's exactly the kind of Mod we need...might put an end to these interminal threads... now THAT is the kind of intellectual humor i appreciate!killing the problem at it's source,eh? Quote Link to comment
StratDudeDan Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I think what this forums needs more than people attacking the mod crew or regulars, is a dose of real-world forums. In all reality, though this is a wonderful forum that does tons for a whole load of people, there are other forums out there that are enormous and have an incredible size when it comes to members. One of the online games I play, Kingdom of Loathing, is an example of a forum that is mighty. It's relatively small, but the moderating staff has their work cut out for them. Flaming is not only allowed, but typically praised and laughed at. Post Count ++ is not a bad thing. The forumers have a section just for flaming (The Ring of Flame), and drag everything from there around the rest of the forum. If you think people here are being mean to you, try going there, not searching, posting a topic with impropar grammar/spelling, and actually expecting an answer. More than likely, your thread will be locked after 10-15 posts ridiculing you and your mother. I hate to say it, but the way this forum is set up is amazing candy-coated and family friendly when it compares to the rest of the internet. If you feel offended here, you should probably just unplug your computer from the internet and learn how to play RPG's from now on... It's not that this is a bad thing, though. I love this forum, and have been here for quite some time now. Though I had a brief period of inactivity, I was still here, lurking, reading, and viewing. The people here are very nice, don't flame, and the mod crew runs very easy on newbs and n00bs alike. The lack of the search button is a thing that very few know an answer to if anyone. That runs along the same lines as the "edit" button. You don't need another post. Especially if it's within 5-10 minutes of when you originally posted something, and isn't some sort of ground-breaking idea that you HAVE to get out RIGHT AWAY in order to tell the whole world, AND you don't want to lose or add to what you originally wrote. I swear, after spending some time elsewhere on the almight intarweb, I know of the hardships forumers see everyday. I could run right along the rest of the best and a make a "how-to forum" video or guide, but all that work would go to waste because n00bs don't care, and newbs wouldn't get caught doing something stupid. All in all, though there is this "perfect" forum we all want, we aren't going to get it. There will always be someone here to make us not like them. There will always be spelling mistakes, flames, people asking if they can take down their door and build a guitar out of it, etc. It should be understood and accepted as part of the foruming world, and handled accordingly from case to case. It's not up to me to determine how exactly to handle this, though. That's the moderating staff. Lock more threads? Delete more posts? Stop caring and let it all circle the drain? Not my call, nor my place to make suggestions to them on how to run their forum. As a forumer, however, I will say relax, it could be (and is elswhere) much worse, and just go build a guitar. Above all else, DON'T PANIC. Quote Link to comment
Kevan Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I think what this forums needs more than people attacking the mod crew or regulars, is a dose of real-world forums. Next time, ask for a eye. Why? Because neither is going to happen. Attacking any member, mod, or admin on this site will result in an immediate suspension without warning. That's right folks- no more PMs. You're just plain gone. In all reality, though this is a wonderful forum that does tons for a whole load of people, there are other forums out there that are enormous and have an incredible size when it comes to members. One of the online games I play, Kingdom of Loathing, is an example of a forum that is mighty. What, exactly, is your defintion of 'mighty'? The ability to post saying "Your momma's so fat, the back of her neck looks like a pack of franks."? Bad news; that's not mighty. It's 4th grade. It's relatively small, but the moderating staff has their work cut out for them. Flaming is not only allowed, but typically praised and laughed at. Post Count ++ is not a bad thing. The forumers have a section just for flaming (The Ring of Flame), and drag everything from there around the rest of the forum. If you think people here are being mean to you, try going there, not searching, posting a topic with impropar grammar/spelling, and actually expecting an answer. More than likely, your thread will be locked after 10-15 posts ridiculing you and your mother. Trust me- you don't want this here. The Slam Thread is archived for a reason. The real reason being that I was disgusted by all the amateur action happening in there. If you have doubts as to my ferocity, ask Brian, or any old-school Jemsiter. (Does anyone else find it insanely ironic that someone coming from a gamers forum says that a guitar-building forum needs a dose of the 'real world'?) I hate to say it, but the way this forum is set up is amazing candy-coated and family friendly when it compares to the rest of the internet. If you feel offended here, you should probably just unplug your computer from the internet and learn how to play RPG's from now on... Candy-coated? Hmmm...that's a bit of a stretch. Telling people to unplug their computer is just plain bad advice. Not everyone gets online to game or build guitars or check out p0rn. It's not that this is a bad thing, though. I love this forum, and have been here for quite some time now. Though I had a brief period of inactivity, I was still here, lurking, reading, and viewing. The people here are very nice, don't flame, and the mod crew runs very easy on newbs and n00bs alike. I think there's a compliment in there somewhere, so....thanks! The lack of the search button is a thing that very few know an answer to if anyone. That runs along the same lines as the "edit" button. You don't need another post. Especially if it's within 5-10 minutes of when you originally posted something, and isn't some sort of ground-breaking idea that you HAVE to get out RIGHT AWAY in order to tell the whole world, AND you don't want to lose or add to what you originally wrote. That's what's called "Flood Control". It's been addressed here before, and hasn't been an issue since. The Search problem will continue until people learn exactly what that magic button is for. Thankfully, the more that learn, the more that will pass that wonderful information along to others. All in all, though there is this "perfect" forum we all want, we aren't going to get it. There will always be someone here to make us not like them. There will always be spelling mistakes, flames, people asking if they can take down their door and build a guitar out of it, etc. It should be understood and accepted as part of the foruming world, and handled accordingly from case to case. And on this forum, it is handled case-by-case. And will continue to be done as such. What you're asking for won't happen here. Not because I won't allow it, but because the SITE OWNER won't allow it. He didn't start this to be a sewer. McDonalds didn't start to be a trucking company. That's how the world works. You hang with whomever you desire, and I will do the same. Don't push your stuff on me, and I won't push my stuff on you. Didn't Hannibal cover this about 2500 years ago? If you want to run that kind of forum, go for it. There are plenty of names available, free software, and hundreds of hosting companies. It's all you, my man. Quote Link to comment
Drak Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 I have absolutely no room to talk here, I am as guilty as anyone about what I am about to say. But.... A funny and strange fact is that if everyone just posted about guitars and building guitars, there would be like, zero problems. Most of the problems (if you want to call them problems) have occured in the Off-Topic and Announcement sections lately. Basically, where people are allowed to shoot their mouth off about nothing in particular, just to hear themselves speak (me included occasionally ). If we locked these sections down for 30 days and directed all posters to post JUST about building guitars, which is why we're here in the first place and should not be a problem, I would be willing to bet almost all problems would just take care of themselves and vanish. This is called starving a fire of fuel. Maybe the Off-topics and Announcements sections should be reserved for seasoned members, and treated as a priveledge that can be taken away for 30 days if abused by you shooting your stupid mouth off about bootjack. I know we can't do this, but I think it would work until this place settled down, and those that never post about building guitars anyway and love to post in these 2 sections were robbed of a podium to host their BS hot air. Most of the people on different forums that I truly respect the most all share a few common traits (none of which I happen to have ) 1. They ALWAYS stay on topic 2. They are always level headed 3. They never get involved in the personal battles, when chaos erupts, they simply back out and don't post, they just completely stay out of any chaotic situation, and return, level-headed as always, when things get back to normal. And these people are revered and respected all over the internet for their calmness and even-handedness. Imagine that. So what I'm saying in a nutshell is that giving an open podium to anyone who wants one (Off-topics and Announcements) just doesn't seem to be helping the place lately, it's where all the BS erupts from because anyone can shoot their reterded mouth off anytime they please, starting the newest brushfire. If we forced everyone to actually talk about building guitars 100% of the time (at least for awhile) I think the riff-raff would leave for lack of an open podium and everyone else would become more focused on building their guitars. Screw this Peyton Place BS this place has become lately, let's find a way to force ourselves to regain the focus on building guitars and sharing information reguarding that, and make the whiners and proclaimers and babies find another outlet for their verbal drivel. You got something to say or ask about building a guitar? Come on in. You got nothing to say or ask about these things? Hit the freakin' road jack. Regain the focus, regain the equilibrium, regain the peace, regain the learning/sharing/environment. Freedom, whether it be freedom of speech or thought, was something that was fought for and won, it is a priveledge to be cherished, not flaunted like a cheap spam. Respect your freedoms, they CAN be taken away y'know. Quote Link to comment
!!METAL MATT!! Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Maybe the Off-topics and Announcements sections should be reserved for seasoned members, and treated as a priveledge that can be taken away for 30 days if abused by you shooting your stupid mouth off about bootjack. I like That Idea Alot--- But The Announcements section is also used for testing pic posting and all that and welcomeing new members Is there any way that there could be two new sections added? !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment
rhoads56 Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 It was the seasoned members who caused that section to be closed in the first place.... Quote Link to comment
!!METAL MATT!! Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 It was the seasoned members who caused that section to be closed in the first place.... Well I guess maybe some of the seasoned members (myself inclued) have Just become to comfortable. I know All of this has Got me working on a few of my bad habits Well Im trying !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment
VanKirk Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 In our democracy (USA) we are given certain freedoms & control but on someone else's forum I don't look at it as a democracy. I hear alot of people in forums talk about 'violating my rights' but I think that all forums are really dictatorships but I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean that the final decision is left to site owner/mods regardless of what the majority says. Short of breaking any laws they can do anything they want to. PG members are fortunate to be a part of it. Quote Link to comment
GregP Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 All well and good, Drak, and I actually agree-- but a few of the recent debates (ie. picture posting rules) directly relate to the ease and effectiveness with which we talk about and demonstrate building guitars. As far as OTHER kinds of flames go, though, I agree. Greg Quote Link to comment
Mr.Churchyard Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 My two euro-cents: I think there's an awful lot of thread-closing and post-deleting going on on this board lately. Seems to me that the mods are overreacting a bit lately - quite understandable, reckoning all what has happened lately. What I mean is, there are threads getting closed without any -at least to me - obvious reason. What bugs me on a regular basis is the constant bitching about the rules for GOTM in the last months. As it is, "Pros" are disadvanteged simply because most people wouldn't vote for them despite their great work just for being "pro". There is seriously no need for more complications of GOTM rules to help "non-pros". Like the "if it's not built from scratch it shouldn't be allowed"... Well most people wouldn't vote for a Warmoth-part or Saga-kit built guitar anyway, and sincerely, most of the time they are not the prettiest or most original guitar out there in GOTM, right? The whole atmosphere has been getting worse, although I think it is recovering. It is a very unfortunate state of things when knowledgeable veterans of the board repeatedly consider quitting it... And I sincerely have no idea why there is no language-censoring applet in this board. It is ridiculous that for every "s***" the mods have to edit a post... It is not necessary to give them all this unnecessary workload. If possible, image-resizing should also be automatic. It IS possible. As a sociologist, I know how it is always best advice to make things as easy as possible if someone wants some constant positive result... On the other hand, some good will from the members is always great and what turns a decent board into a great one like PG. What I am trying to say is: The less rules are necessary and implemented, the better. Like flood control on this board there should be also automatic image-resizing and language-editing (although I think it's exaggerated, for noone purposedly uses lots of swearing here, but that's my opinion). GOTM should stay as it is. I also think that many of the problems of the last months arise from the fact that there are more and more members and especially lots of newbies (like me), especially newbies who don't know forum rules, search functions, grammar, spelling etc. (unlike me - at least I hope). Perhaps the mods have too much of a workload in these forums. Automatic language-editing would be a first step to lessen their burden. As for the forum as a dictatorship, think twice about what you said - I can only say it's obvious you are from a country where there hasn't been a dictatorship yet. Anyway I just wanted to add how much I like this forum and wanted to thank everyone, for making this place what it is. Quote Link to comment
Primal Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 If possible, image-resizing should also be automatic. It IS possible. ← The only problem is, in order for there to be automatic image resizing, the images have to be uploaded to the forums. That is not allowed, due to bandwidth requirements. Quote Link to comment
Mr.Churchyard Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 If possible, image-resizing should also be automatic. It IS possible. ← The only problem is, in order for there to be automatic image resizing, the images have to be uploaded to the forums. That is not allowed, due to bandwidth requirements. ← oh, that's unfortunate. Quote Link to comment
feylya Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Depends what he means. If he means file size, then that'd require all pictures being uploaded to the server. If he means height and width, it's easily done by just editting one php file on the server. Bandwidth usage stays exactly the same. Quote Link to comment
Mr.Churchyard Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Depends what he means. If he means file size, then that'd require all pictures being uploaded to the server. If he means height and width, it's easily done by just editting one php file on the server. Bandwidth usage stays exactly the same. ← Great, resizing is all I thought of. It is a strange idea to have a message board modify files on, say, my homepage. Quote Link to comment
feylya Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Which resizing do you mean though - filesize or dimensions? And if they don't have your password, no one can modify files on your server if you have your permissions sorted out properly. Quote Link to comment
Mr.Churchyard Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Which resizing do you mean though - filesize or dimensions? And if they don't have your password, no one can modify files on your server if you have your permissions sorted out properly. ← That's what I meant! That's why the only resizing I am referring to now is viewing dimensions. Like the img tag in HTML, no? Like <img src="soandso.jpg" height=y width=x> That's what I am on about. Quote Link to comment
feylya Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Pretty much. You just have to replace whatever code is usually rendered with. Quote Link to comment
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