Mateyboy Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi all. This is going to be my first full guitar build. I have carved out a couple of guitar bodies, glued in a few necks and have had a bit of experience using power tools (routers, belt sanders etc.). Nothing too serious... so I've decided to go for it and build a full guitar from scratch. I'm absolutely certain I will make many mistakes along the way, but I guess that is the best way to learn! I sketched up a guitar using Inscape (see attached), The body is based on a Schecter Tempest and I'm going for a Gibson scale length and most likely with a bolt on neck (angled headstock). Some things may change as I go along!!! The body is going to be a two piece poplar (not sure on the finish yet). Not sure on the neck wood yet either, I've never carved a guitar neck so any advice on the best wood to try out first would be appreciated. How hard can it be!!! So I'm using this thread to document my progress and many, many, many mistakes. Wish me luck! JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Welcome Mateyboy! A poplar body is going to be fairly light so a good neck choice would be mahogany or maple. Walnut and cherry would work well too. You'd be amazed at how many varieties of wood have been used successfully for necks...for the whole guitar actually. If you've already carved a couple of bodies, you will likely find carving a neck to be very enjoyable. I'm looking forward to watching your build...and since you asked- Good Luck! SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Scott Thanks for the neck advice, first thoughts are I might go for maple, it's easily available, fairly cheap and I like the light colour. I thnk im going to stain the body a deep cherry colour, provided the wood stays in one piece, any chunks lost and I'll revert to a solid colour! ? I have a few 'commercial' guitars and I prefer the lighter ones (I have both Gibson SG and LP, for me the SG wins hands down, mainly because of the neck heel and the weight differences) so poplar might work out well. First step... Plywood templates, I've almost done the body. I'll probably sand it down and then rout a master from this so the sides are nice and square... At least that's the theory! ? JT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Mateyboy said: I'll probably sand it down and then rout a master from this so the sides are nice and square... At least that's the theory! ? That sounds like a good plan to me. Looking good so far. Are you planning to leave the body flat or do a bit of carving? Welcome and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Norris said: That sounds like a good plan to me. Looking good so far. Are you planning to leave the body flat or do a bit of carving? Welcome and good luck! Hi Norris I still haven't decided on every element of the body yet. I think I'll do some carving (won't be a simple round-over bit on the edge), although it is likely that the majority of the body will be flat. Thanks JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I had a little play in photoshop to see what the body 'might' look like. I was thinking of using a Crimson Guitar Stain. I'm hoping that this weekend I can get the templates done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted February 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Didn't get much done today, other than almost completing the body templates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 First mistake! I shouldn't have put the neck cavity in the main body template - it crumbled to bits as soon as I started to rout it. I finally have a body template I'm happy with. 12mm MDF. I deliberately left the bridge position off it, I'll measure that more accurately when the neck is in position, I think that's good logic! It's slow work at the moment as I am waiting for a workshop/shed delivery, I'm relying on decent weather to work outside, and there isn't much of that up here in Cumbria (UK). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Poplar, ready to cut next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtisa Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Mateyboy said: First mistake! I shouldn't have put the neck cavity in the main body template - it crumbled to bits as soon as I started to rout it. I finally have a body template I'm happy with. 12mm MDF. I deliberately left the bridge position off it, I'll measure that more accurately when the neck is in position, I think that's good logic! You can actually dispense with creating a dedicated template for the neck pocket altogether if you want. This is how I usually do it. By making a temporary template to accommodate the neck, you're not limited to having just one template that can only do one thing. Also makes micro-adjustments of angles and positions on the body possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 15 hours ago, curtisa said: You can actually dispense with creating a dedicated template for the neck pocket altogether if you want. This is how I usually do it. By making a temporary template to accommodate the neck, you're not limited to having just one template that can only do one thing. Also makes micro-adjustments of angles and positions on the body possible. I like this method. I've done it on a previous body - makes sense really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariahrob Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Agree completely. That's way more accurate than using fixed templates. Another trick is to stick a layer of masking tape to the inner borders of the wood you use as your temporary template. That will ensure a slightly snugger fitting neck that you fettle to get perfect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 50 minutes ago, Pariahrob said: Agree completely. That's way more accurate than using fixed templates. Another trick is to stick a layer of masking tape to the inner borders of the wood you use as your temporary template. That will ensure a slightly snugger fitting neck that you fettle to get perfect. I like that idea also! So simple yet never even crossed my mind. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Pariahrob said: Agree completely. That's way more accurate than using fixed templates. Another trick is to stick a layer of masking tape to the inner borders of the wood you use as your temporary template. That will ensure a slightly snugger fitting neck that you fettle to get perfect. Funnily enough I used that technique to give myself an extra bit of wriggle room on my rear access cover. Because I was binding the recess I didn't want it to be too tight, especially after I have lacquered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) OK, so I finally got chance to cut the body with the bandsaw. Hopefully I will get to rout the body this afternoon, all is looking good with the template. I also started making a neck template. The headstock was inspired by my owned guitars; Gibson (LP/SG) and BC Rich (Beast). It's a little plain but I've never made a neck before so I wanted something simple. Might have a routed body later today. Edited March 11, 2017 by Mateyboy Spelling mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 That looks a nice chunk of wood . You are right to leave the fixing of the bridge position until a lot later - a lot can change between the initial plan and multiple bits of wood, metal and plastic being in their various positions! Although I mark the intended position early on to make sure I have a datum for length, perpendicularity and straightness, it's one of the last things I actually drill holes for and fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Andyjr1515 said: That looks a nice chunk of wood . You are right to leave the fixing of the bridge position until a lot later - a lot can change between the initial plan and multiple bits of wood, metal and plastic being in their various positions! Although I mark the intended position early on to make sure I have a datum for length, perpendicularity and straightness, it's one of the last things I actually drill holes for and fit. Hi Andy I'm not sure how I'm going to finish it. The top side looks ok but because it is poplar theres quite a lot of green bits that I don't like. I am toying with the idea that I might use a water based stain for the top and burst it to a black nitro finish on the back and sides. I assume that the water based stain and the nitro will be ok together? I managed to rout the body this morning; although I've only made shallow guide cavities for the pickups. I think I'll drill the pot holes later and I'll carve in a belly contour during the week, this is my 'plan'; on the back of the body of course: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Small update, that's it for today; pickup cavities and rounder routing done. Never carved a belly contour before, quite excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 3/12/2017 at 7:27 AM, Mateyboy said: I assume that the water based stain and the nitro will be ok together? Water based dyes get used under nitro all the time; stains should present no problems either. You can cross that one off your list of things to worry about. SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 hours ago, ScottR said: Water based dyes get used under nitro all the time; stains should present no problems either. You can cross that one off your list of things to worry about. SR Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Hi just a small update, I haven't had much time to work on the guitar as I've been building a wooden workshop to do the work in! I've carved a belly contour (a first for me) and I've started routing the electronics cavity on the back. I'm hoping to get the rough body shape finished this weekend (excluding the neck pocket and bridge position) and probably get started on the maple wood neck. Im also starting work on some decking in the garden so time will tell how much time I can devote to the axe! ? ? JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) I made my second mistake today (almost a disaster!) ; I was routing the cavity on the rear of the body for the pots and switch and I got a bit of tearout which ripped through and left little pin sized hole in the front of the body. I sanded some dust from an off cut of poplar and filled the tearout with it and some super glue. Don't think it's noticeable now: The cavity is now complete and I have drilled all of the wiring channels, just the neck and bridge position left on the body. I also bought an ebony fretboard on eBay which is pre-slotted. I haven't got the equipment at the moment to cut my own fret slots. Is this cheating? I will radius it myself, fret it and cut it. It's slow work at the moment as my wife likes to keep me busy with other jobs and I don't have permanent electric in the workshop just yet. JT Edited March 25, 2017 by Mateyboy Spelling mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 In some ways, being reined in from going all hell on a build is a good thing. For one, you're forced to consider your next steps and have plenty of time to refine your plan. I do that a lot. Oddly enough, whilst doing other woodwork. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateyboy Posted March 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 19 hours ago, Prostheta said: In some ways, being reined in from going all hell on a build is a good thing. For one, you're forced to consider your next steps and have plenty of time to refine your plan. I do that a lot. Oddly enough, whilst doing other woodwork. Yeah, I make most of my mistakes when I have a crazy idea and dive on in! Talking of mistakes... mistake number three happened today! I decided to cut the neck scarf joint using a pull saw (I don't have a table saw and my band saw only cuts up to around 85mm and the wood is 100mm). It would have been better using a panel saw! It looks like I cut it with a knife and fork! For my next build, if I get there, I will cut the maple wood down to a width that my band saw can handle. I think I managed to save it with my router jig: I still need to sand it before I cut the headstock to size and glue and clamp it properly but I'm fairly pleased with the result so far. Another first for me so I'm happy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Good on ya. That's the right jig for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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