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On 7/20/2020 at 3:21 PM, curtisa said:

Any reason why you don't want to use a standard flip-open battery compartment? Should be farily trivial to cut a small rectangle on the back somewhere out of the way.

By the way thanks for the nudge, I often spend an awful lot of time trying to come up with a unique idea but with this one its probably best to stick to something more conventional

I already had it in the back of my mind to get rid of that patch but I was worried about the curve. Then when I googled I discovered the one I pictured which is so small it won't matter even if its flat

 

On 7/21/2020 at 12:28 AM, Bizman62 said:

Changing the fix to a feature, luthier's rule #1

There are rules? Were they made by Leroy Jethro Gibbs?

At first I wasn't too crazy about putting a battery compartment in the top side but now it seems a good idea

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On 7/17/2020 at 5:05 PM, Prostheta said:

RIP Steve Priest.

I can't believe this, I was thinking "yeah he died quite some time ago" but I read it again just now, and I realised I was reading "Steve Priest" but thinking Brian Connolly!

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It's convenient that the last post has that view of the guitar, you might be able to see that the Saddle is leaning over just a bit more now

At first I thought the saddle (and therefore the top) is sinking due to the absence of the "post" underneath. But the action isn't lower, if anything it's higher so then I realised what's happening is the Tailpiece is lifting up due to the Rotational force created by the setup

I have had Accoustic Strings on for quite a while now which are rather heavy gauge 12-54 so that doesn't help but I think I should put the post in and use the Trapese Tailpiece

It does sound more like an Accoustic with these strings but sounds a bit odd with the electric pickups

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3 minutes ago, Crusader said:

It does sound more like an Accoustic with these strings but sounds a bit odd with the electric pickups

That's logical. The phosphor bronze winding on acoustic strings isn't ferromagnetic while the nickel winding on electric strings is. The steel core is pretty much similar to allow magnetic pickups catch some sound but obviously not similar to strings with a ferromagnetic winding.

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On 7/22/2020 at 12:12 PM, Crusader said:

I often spend an awful lot of time trying to come up with a unique idea but with this one its probably best to stick to something more conventional

What someone (way more skilled than I) needs to do is install a permanent, rechargeable battery along with the guts of one those mini travel chargers .... and have a (beautifully carved wooden) collapsable/hidden crank handle. :)

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20 hours ago, Prostheta said:

What's the tension rating of that string set at that tuning/scale length?

Good grief, Ich weiss nicht

20 hours ago, Bizman62 said:

That's logical. The phosphor bronze winding on acoustic strings isn't ferromagnetic while the nickel winding on electric strings is. The steel core is pretty much similar to allow magnetic pickups catch some sound but obviously not similar to strings with a ferromagnetic winding.

Yes I first figured this out with an acoustic pickup (DeArmond) that some other guitar playing dude gave me when I was working on the mines up north 20 years ago. I got around to trying it out...hang on 25 years ago...on my Washburn steel string...no 30 years ago....and I noticed...nah nah nah 35 years ago or close to it...I noticed the 1st and 2nd strings were a lot louder than the others. Here's a link which shows one with the second pole covered over

https://gpguitars.com/products/dearmond-rhc-b210-acoustic-soundhole-pickup

 

I noticed one of the guitarists from "Pentangle" using one of these and I'm sure he had Electric Strings on to fix the problem. I tried that on my Washburn and it pretty much just sounded like an Electric guitar!

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On 7/20/2020 at 5:35 PM, Crusader said:

I don't know where I would want to cut a hole in my precious duco! But if I used a compartment like this one I could put it right about here!

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I finally installed the battery box but I didn't put it there, I think it's just the wrong place, so I had a look to see where other people put them and I found a PRS with a piezo and did the same. Then I realised the battery connector doesn't fit so I had to use the wires supplied. I also moved the outlet jack because it seems silly to have them at two different places, and its hard to put a strap on with a lead plugged in

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Thanks for the encouraging words mistermikev!

A few details to finish it off...

I'm not using the strap button on the accoustic output so I made it level

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And this is how I filled in the 1/2 inch hole left behind. I used a small off-cut of mahogany so the plug wouldn't fall through

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I used the wood from the battery box cut out, not that it really mattered. I put the button on upside down to clamp it all together while the glue dried

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Then screwed in the strap button, using the felt washer supplied to completely hide the joint, not that it really matters because there's scratches, dents and cracks galore

In any case this is the most completed guitar I've made to date

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Speaking of bastards, an acquaintance worked as an au-pair in England when she was young. The kids in the family wouldn't behave so she firmly told "the little bastards to go to bed, NOW". The parents looked shocked to hear their nanny to suspect their children being of questionable origin...

"Bastard" is not a word that commonly pops up at school during the English lessons. But it's widely used on TV and as we have subtexts we hear it a lot. The subs usually translate it to "paskiainen" which is a mild diminutive word related to shit, referring to a person being dirty by nature rather than on the outside . "Dirtbaglet" might be close what she meant, depending on context the "-let" can be left out. Which, again depending on context, can be translated to "bastard"...

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21 hours ago, Prostheta said:

 

I'd like to know your exact pronounciation of "bastard", Scott. I use two depending on my reasoning for it at the time. 😄

I thought I could just blithely answer that, then said it out loud a couple of times and realized I would be inaccurate. When I say it the bas is accented and rhymes with gas. The tard actually comes out as turd. And of course with an American accent and a touch of Texas drawl.:D

And in this context it translates to "pain in the ass".

SR

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