Black Mariah Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I was initially going to do a traditional hollowbody but I realized I really need to do something that won't be a pain in the ass for me to play. It's a very Klein/Teuffel inspired shape, obviously. I have a proto body hacked out of some pine. Balances wonderfully. I'll do another prototype body to full scale (this one's a bit smaller than the dimensions of the model) in a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american_jesus Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 reminds me of the gibson moderne a bit...pretty cool looking beast, i'd definately like to see this one made... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I REALLY like it. I've never heard of Klein/Teuffel, but it reminds me a lot of Johnny Winter's Erlewine Lazer guitar, but with a really cool twist or two. It's hard to come up with a new design that hasn't either been done before or looks so different to the point of absurd, but I really like the look of this. I say build it, I can't wait to see it 'for real'. Only constructive criticism I would offer is that I would align the controls with the lower body sweep, more like a V, but that's just me, you do what works for you. Lookin' good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cletus Blackwater Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 What's the head stock going to look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Reminds me a little of the Fernandes Nomad...I like it. Don't know how comfortable it'd be playing sitting down though. I know you're planning on going headless because you're worried about the weight of the tuners throwing things out of whack. But I'd consider a tight headstock in the vein of the Nomad anyway... I have some video of Lou Reed playing Heroin with the Klein... I agree with Drak that those knobs are in the wrong place....why not tuck them into the side of the guitar, in one of the curves at the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehle Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 It's hard to come up with a new design that hasn't either been done before or looks so different to the point of absurd, but I really like the look of this. Totally agree there. I really like the looks of this one. Never seen anything quite like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 It looks like and acoustic instrument of the mediaval times! The lines flow so I think it is OK, not to my liking but as long as you are happy with it its all that matters. Do you plan on using a neck pup? Because it looks like you would run out of space unless you angle it or add a bit more wood to that area! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possum1284 Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 It looks like and acoustic instrument of the mediaval times! The lines flow so I think it is OK, not to my liking but as long as you are happy with it its all that matters. Do you plan on using a neck pup? Because it looks like you would run out of space unless you angle it or add a bit more wood to that area! ← the instrument your reffering to is a lute i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeiscosRock Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I love it. Would make a kickass body style for a travel guitar. Use that body, bit smaller than full size, with a short scale neck, headless, and WHAM, instant travel guitar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis P Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 i would like it, if it was, instead of the curves, if they were points, that could be cool too!! But, in all seriousness, it is really cool design, i dig it Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) ALRIGHT! Thanks for all the encouraging comments. american_jesus: AH! That's the one I was thinking of! Yeah, there's definitely some Moderne in there. Drak: Check out the Teuffel Tesla and Kleins. idch: Unfortunately, I think the tuner issue will depend on my financial situation when I get to that point. $200 is a bunch to drop when I have spare tuners and ToM bridges laying around. If I do a headstock, I'll probably go with a mega-compact 3x3 thing... classical style, maybe? Maiden69: The pickup layout will be fine. Trust me, I've octuple measured that based on several of my guitars already. It made my head hurt. "There's NO WAY two pickups are gonna fit there!" The tape measure says otherwise. It looks like there isn't much room, but I used the outside dimensions of the pickup surround and not the pickup itself. I won't use surrounds on the final guitar. I hate those things. Sit and play comfort? It's designed purely for that. This is a case where form follows function to an absolute degree. I can tell from the prototype (that's code word for "POS I bandsawed the piss out of") that it sits at the right angle for me and it's just a matter of getting it to sit in the right place on my legs. The model above does that by being a bit wider. As for the knobs... I had them in a triangle configuration, actually. It did look nice but the layout will have to wait until I get all the other details finalized. I'll default to the triangle layout if it fits right. I can't tuck them into the side because... well.. it's kinda thin. The upper edge is only 1/2" thick. the lower bout is 1-1/2" (thank you, construction grade pine, for those dimensions). Might as well post an example: The only question I have is... where the hell am I gonna put the output jack? Random comment: Rhino's fillet SUCKS. That is all. Edited October 30, 2005 by Black Mariah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickguard Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 idch: Unfortunately, I think the tuner issue will depend on my financial situation when I get to that point. $200 is a bunch to drop when I have spare tuners and ToM bridges laying around. If I do a headstock, I'll probably go with a mega-compact 3x3 thing... classical style, maybe? ← Oh I like headstocks, think guitars look silly without them. Basses look all right, but not guitars... I suggest working with an idea like the Nomad's Maybe not as extreme, and you could go for a 4 + 2 config, but I think it could be adapted to flow well with your design... Am I right in thinking you're planning to make the actual guitar out of pine? I don't think it's worth the bother --tonewood isn't that expensive, and you could go with ash or maple to get enough weight in the guitar. Unless you've got a difference species pine? As for the jack --that'd be easy enough to fit into the smallest curve at the bottom...you can line your knobs up along that curve on the top, as Drak suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goth_fiend Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 you could always use a strat jack, and mount it on the back of the guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 you could always use a strat jack, and mount it on the back of the guitar ← This is a good idea, or just recess it to the back. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC02229.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC01902.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Believe it or not, Pine bodies are all the rage right now on some of the Telecaster forums. The very very very very first Teles (Esquires) were made of 1.5" Pine, and someone caught on to that fact, and it's quite a fad going on right now. Not saying I would do it, but Pine bodies are acceptable it would seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Recessed into the back! Good idea. You guys win a snacky cake. The first few bodies will be made of pine so I don't go wasting more expensive wood while figuring out all the technical issues that will definitely come up. The final one will most likely be swamp ash to keep weight down. I might do one in mahogany too, just to have that tonal variety. Who knows? gotta get one finished first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I have a couple of extra Kahler locknuts that will hold a ball end just fine. I have a couple of extra ToM's that will hold the strings up just fine. All I really need is something to tune the strings with. Stay with me on this one... Just thinking out loud... Friction pegs, mounted in the body behind the bridge. Yeah, I'm a damn weirdo. But how cool would that look? I have some acoustic endpins that would work perfect. The string tension would be as much of a problem as you think because I've recently started using very light gauge strings to help out with some wrist problems I have. I mean REALLY light. I use 10's tuned to C#. I need a milling machine. That way I could just machine my own damn tailpiece and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The nomad Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 It looks really awesome, What program did you use to create it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Rhino 3d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFC Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Friction pegs, mounted in the body behind the bridge. Maybe: Steinberger Gearless Tuners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted November 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Yeah, I ran across those the other day. The issue with those is they would have to be mounted THROUGH the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailman Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 would it be practical to use gearless tuners (steinberger or lsr) on a floyded guitar? or is that just a waste of money seeing as floyds use fine tuners anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted November 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 would it be practical to use gearless tuners (steinberger or lsr) on a floyded guitar? or is that just a waste of money seeing as floyds use fine tuners anyway ← Yes, it's quite practical. They're really no different than regular tuners on a Floyded guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted November 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Pseudo-progress is being made. I haven't been able to get to the hardware store to pick up some wood, but I got incredibly bored and started building with whatever scraps I had laying around. This thing is going to be UGLY. But it's still just a proto, so no problem. The back is 1" pine, and the sides are a solid piece of 1" pine I cut the center out of. The top is made out of three pieces of 1/4" poplar a friend bought at an arts and crafts store for a couple of bucks. So. Damned. Ugly. I'm going to rig up some kind of classical style headstock to cram some tuners on. The weight worries me, but I'll deal with that later. It's moving along, slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Yeah, poplar can eat me. I've dealt with some stanky woods over the years, but this poplar crap is the first to send me from 0 to rough lungs in about 20 seconds on the belt sander. This stuff is NASTY. The top's on now. I just have to trim the excess. I'll do that with the router tomorrow. I cut a vaguely "cat's eye" soundhole in the top. Scroll saws SUCK, I don't care what anyone says. This thing is UGLY. So very, very ugly. I'm definitely going with this same hollow construction style for the real one though. I'm thinking a mahogany back with a swamp ash top. I likes me some swamp ash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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