ultraman Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 does anyone play it? im almost finished! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 the solo from crossroads...........Fu**in insane. dude ifyou can play that you are amazing. That is one of the hardest solos in the world. A few people on guitarwar.com can play it pretty good. Try improvising off of it with harmonic minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbkim Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Heh, I remember how popular this was with guitarist 15 years ago ... and I'm surprised I still remember some of it. Nowadays I'm more impressed with Marshall Harrison's version of Paganini's Perpetual Motion. Hmm... unfortunately, he seems to have restricted that video's downloads recently... but he still has this one for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazyderek Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 ummm.... his pick hand doesn't even move for half that video sujjesting he just max's the gain and taps/ pulls off everything not the hardest thing to do, but he had some nice runs, one of this other videos was cool though, some of the scales he was playing thru were.... umm.... "interesting" oh ya, the dual is cool i tried to learn it a couple years ago, got about half way thru and just lost interest, i've never been able to learn whole songs, i always get inspired half way thru and start writting my own songs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 isn't that whole thing played at 3 different tunings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbkim Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 ummm.... his pick hand doesn't even move for half that video sujjesting he just max's the gain and taps/ pulls off everything not the hardest thing to do, but he had some nice runs, one of this other videos was cool though, some of the scales he was playing thru were.... umm.... "interesting" Ah, you didn't catch the fingerpicking. Yeah, it's very subtle... almost no noticeable movement. But he does do massive hammer/pull's for his chromatic runs (which is apropos.) His (older) Wieniawski video has more traditional picking... along with some nice sweeps and pivots. It's too bad he restricted the Moto Perpetual. His scales are quite "interesting"... very Garsed-ish (maybe Holdsworth-ian too ) Oh! And to the original poster, I re-read my post. I didn't mean to stomp on your accomplishment. It's just, well, so 15 years ago for me (Man! I'm old... good thing I'm gonna die soon ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goat Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 It's just, well, so 15 years ago for me (Man! I'm old... good thing I'm gonna die soon ) You ain`t old.If we`re talkin` the Robert Johnson or Eric Clapton version,then we`re talkin` old. I remember dudes figuring out those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 that dude can shred. but it feels like its been done. i'm starting to lose respect for instrumental stuff. it doesnt have as much tone and feel as blues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 well let's be real...blues is all about tone and feel.but so are other forms of music...it's just a different tone and feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 i dont know about that. the instrumental stuff pretty much is a monotonous tone. its a screech. I can certainly respect it. By all means instrumental players are people who i look up to. but i cant respect the fact that mostly its just scales and improv with no real melody. the melody is the hard part. Finding a good melody takes some guys years. its a delacate balance of tone and shiz. thats where instrumental players fail in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbkim Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 i dont know about that. the instrumental stuff pretty much is a monotonous tone. its a screech. I can certainly respect it. By all means instrumental players are people who i look up to. but i cant respect the fact that mostly its just scales and improv with no real melody. the melody is the hard part. Finding a good melody takes some guys years. its a delacate balance of tone and shiz. thats where instrumental players fail in my mind. Melody is in the ear of the beholder . For example, some people just love Ornette Coleman (sax) but is too atonal for my taste. When people talk about "tone and feel," the blues is what's usually first mentioned. The blues are nice and simple... heartfelt... it's "comfort food" for the ears, your brain digests it easily, that's why it's soooo much loved. Complex chords require complex "melody." Jazz comes to mind. What might sound like lots of scaluar runs involve intricate interplay with the underlying accompaniment. There is melody there, it's just involes a different mindset to hear it. "His playing's not too fast, you just need to listen faster " Classical pianist/violinists play cadenzas that make guitar shredders look like they're standing still yet they don't get this kind of criticism... weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 i dont know about that. the instrumental stuff pretty much is a monotonous tone. its a screech. I can certainly respect it. By all means instrumental players are people who i look up to. but i cant respect the fact that mostly its just scales and improv with no real melody. the melody is the hard part. Finding a good melody takes some guys years. its a delacate balance of tone and shiz. thats where instrumental players fail in my mind. Melody is in the ear of the beholder . For example, some people just love Ornette Coleman (sax) but is too atonal for my taste. When people talk about "tone and feel," the blues is what's usually first mentioned. The blues are nice and simple... heartfelt... it's "comfort food" for the ears, your brain digests it easily, that's why it's soooo much loved. Complex chords require complex "melody." Jazz comes to mind. What might sound like lots of scaluar runs involve intricate interplay with the underlying accompaniment. There is melody there, it's just involes a different mindset to hear it. "His playing's not too fast, you just need to listen faster " Classical pianist/violinists play cadenzas that make guitar shredders look like they're standing still yet they don't get this kind of criticism... weird. exactly.more complex music has more complex melody.take "to live is to die" by metallica. you may not understand it(yet)but rest assured others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 also with faster music it's not about the individual note as much as the musical phrase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 that solo is off time...its a biatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 also with faster music it's not about the individual note as much as the musical phrase reminds me of the old drummer joke "hey I can finally play 64th notes on my bassdrum" - "oh yeah? play one" On the original topic: I've been practicing Eugene's Trick Bag for quite some time now and I can pull off most parts half way decently. It's had a great part in my technical development and it's a fun little thing to do. The transcription was in the german edition of "Guitar" about two years ago (as a revisited classic, we're not THAT backwards) and it got 9.5 on a difficulty scale of 0 to 10, hehe. I'd like to see the piece that'll get 10 on their scale. In Germany, there is an event called "Guitar Fight Night" that is based on the crossroads duel, with 8 guitarists each playing twice with different opponents and the audience does not choose the best one player but the best matchup, which is a cool thing. I haven't seen it in person but it sound sweet. so long ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 try listening to bitches brew or john mcglaughlin's birds of fire. that is some of the most complex stuff in the world. but the melody is unmistakable. the reason i bring up blues is because nothing is really hidden with the blues. yeah i love the instrumental players i think their out of this world. but wheres the FEEL!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 the feel is there.it is just a different feel that you are not ready to grasp yet.give it time,grasshopper.meanwhile check out rusty cooley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 bah to you wes. BAH! lol. i know theres feel i want to play that stuff but i just dont respect it as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 check out rusty cooley.i am serious.he will blow your mind.makes yngwie look retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roli Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 bah to you wes. BAH! lol. i know theres feel i want to play that stuff but i just dont respect it as much. Bah! I think that playing on the most expensive high-end stuff and sounding like a video game from the early 80's it IS respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Respectable..........FOR ME TO POOP ON! (triumph the dog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Aight ill check out the rusty cooley stuff. THANX FOR THE INFO! Wes you are the mAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultraman Posted December 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 im gonna play it at a solo battle at school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 bah rusty cooley is amazing but...... still cant feel it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted December 14, 2003 Report Share Posted December 14, 2003 check out rusty cooley.i am serious.he will blow your mind.makes yngwie look retarded i think this is very misguided. Yngwie has soo much more feel (i hate this word cos its what shredders are accused for lacking, but some shredders lack it more than others, and guitar tone can count for alot of it) anyhow, Rusty is influential, and inspires me a little, however i reckon Yngwie could take him to school. Malmsteen plays every note with such conviction and grace its fluent, and melodic, musical. rusty plays like a machine, every note precise, but there is a certain lack where a note can run into another, and sound excellent. i may warm up to Rusty more later, but i still think Malmsteen is the master. theres my 2 cents! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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