westhemann Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I had to 'invent' some grain to make it match so well. Genius move...I have to say I never would have thought of that...Just shows you are always thinking about guitar building... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carousel182 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 haha ormsby i love how the response to the grain is so different here than on UG... hilarious... i thought it looked good anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 haha ormsby i love how the response to the grain is so different here than on UG... hilarious... i thought it looked good anyway... Yup, it all comes down to which photos get posted first Headstock veneer is Macassar Ebony i believe, but it looks pretty damn similar to the Ziricote, so i used it. Cavity cover is the same. Nice satin finish with the grain showing through. Took 26 hours from the first coat, to the last. DONE! Two pack satin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 So will you leave it translucent natural or will it take a color coat? Very good work on the "grain matching". Will you be kind enough to post how you managed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 So will you leave it translucent natural or will it take a color coat? Very good work on the "grain matching". Will you be kind enough to post how you managed? Study the grain up close. Replicate it. Credit me We discussed doing a blue candy over the grain, but in the end went with clear only. I'm glad we didn't do it blue now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 So will you leave it translucent natural or will it take a color coat? Very good work on the "grain matching". Will you be kind enough to post how you managed? Study the grain up close. Replicate it. Credit me We discussed doing a blue candy over the grain, but in the end went with clear only. I'm glad we didn't do it blue now. Very hard to tell from those pics. I thought about a machinist scribe, to get the "hole and edge" from a grain. Anyway, about the finish, I do like it natural, but I can't say that I would love to see some tint on it. Kinda like my old ash guitar. Outstanding as always Perry! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carousel182 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 hmm did you use pins or nail to do it?? regardless of how you did it it looks amazing, very impressive.. how does it look in person? can you tell its fake? quick question do you have a cnc yet.. if not do you still hand inlay the headstocks or do you get them done for you by a shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElysianGuitars Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 have you ever considered making your headstock a little thinner at the tip to get straight string pull? i think itd look pretty cool with the same design you use at the tip, just modified for straight string pull... just food for thought, it looks a little bulky in its current form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soapbarstrat Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I get a kick out of some of you guys thinking Perry is going to try to teach you graining techniques just casually in a forum post. But I have to admit, I wonder how much practice it took him to get that good at it. Hard stuff to do. I have not done it enough to be good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Actually, it was the first time Ive ever done it, took maybe two minutes. VIDEO: Saxon, playing around on the guitar for the first time. What Meshuggah thinks of the Ormsby Eight Multiscale (editted to avoid them getting in to too much trouble) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 trademarked the term multiscale? haha perry :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yeah, since the real grain was black filled you didn't have to worry about color matching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j. pierce Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 For those wondering about grain matching - I know I've seen the technique used in fine furniture a couple of times, and there is information about the techinque in a couple of finishing books I've seen. I'll have to dig through my stacks and see if I can't find specific titles. While Perry may have been one of the first to use it in a guitar application, it's certainly an old technique and has been used for decades. To varying levels of success - I think the thing that stands out about Perry's use of it is how well he pulled it off. The instructions he gave earlier are really the crux of it. Figuring out the best way to do that is going to vary for every piece of wood you pick up. And by the way, Perry - Great piece of work! I'm not always a fan of the dark grainfilled look like this - but once again, you've made an amazing instrument. I think it's the total package thing that sets this apart - and not just talking about all the little build details - you have a way of picking a piece of wood for each instrument that really works well that specific piece. I don't think this finish would have worked with any piece of ash for this particular build - I find that that skill in making all the individual pieces of a build work together is one of the things that really make your work stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae3 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 GOTM it, it's completely awesome!. How are the multiscales to play? Is it awkward to play on the fanned frets? One day the multiscale guitar will be as famous around the world as the hills-hoist and the lamington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Ross Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 GOTM it, it's completely awesome!. How are the multiscales to play? Is it awkward to play on the fanned frets? One day the multiscale guitar will be as famous around the world as the hills-hoist and the lamington I agree, beautiful guitar & great job with the grain. re: the fanned frets, I play a Dingwall ABII (34 - 37") and a 6 string baritone (25.5 - 28") that I built a few months ago. They take a few minutes to get the hang of, but once you get the feel of where things are, it's no different than, say, playing a 25.5" scale if you're used to a 24.75" scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrentis Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Not bad for 3 weeks time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 3.5 weeks i think, and this one was in that period too (but not quite finished yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthus Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hey Perry, is that a textured top on the top one? The lower horn looks to be catching some funky reflections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hey Perry, is that a textured top on the top one? The lower horn looks to be catching some funky reflections. Nah, its the first coat, so a few tiny air bubbles will be pushing through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbeeguitarmod Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Okay this is cool....it may sound like a stupid question...but, I've never seen the fanned fret thing before. Can this be done with any neck to any scale? Or is this only for this particular length? I didn't have time enough to read every comment thru the thread so forgive my ignorance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Ross Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Okay this is cool....it may sound like a stupid question...but, I've never seen the fanned fret thing before. Can this be done with any neck to any scale? Or is this only for this particular length? I didn't have time enough to read every comment thru the thread so forgive my ignorance.. Go here and play around with it for a few minutes: http://www.fretfind.ekips.org/2d/nonparallel.php It's a great tool & it'll give you an idea of how fanned frets work & the mathematics behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nice work Perry, but that's always a given. I'm curious, did you manage to get the grain match to extend through the end grain? I always hate working on the end grain at the arse end of the guitar, even if I'm just doing a straight natural/clear finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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