westhemann Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Well...the thing that comforts me the most is that if you slackers could not even complete a les paul in a YEAR(and that is a good guitar) with an entire site devoted completely to it,and a panel of judges...then I know none of you will ever waste the time needed for this monstrosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirge for november Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I think budget is the best way to limit builds, as wood pron is then impossible yet creativity gets plenty of room. I'll probably join the second edition . I have my internship to worry about. I'm starting again next week and will be busy till halfway into june. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I'll probably join the second edition There ain't going to be no second edition, likely no first...the corvus will fall before it has flown. Ironic that I was the only one to take up the dare! I'll still do it if I don't loose the house in the current dare...but rules are not important and only holds things back...and changing it is not the same at all, so cutting the head off it is a no-no...or at least not a corvus in my book. It would be a great cheap project to do and with a bolt on neck could always be scraped later. It's not even the kind of challenge like the 2x4 or other build offs that had a more interesting slant to it...this is a build the worlds ugliest pointless guitar competition..you know the more I think about it, the less enthusiasim I have...but I could well be tempted simply to do something for the sheer irony of it...that I win would be a wonderful up for about 5 minutes...especially with a head start! I was thinking of giving myself a 1 week deadline and a cost of under $50 and a few bits and pieces. I even got out the sketchpad and thought...hmmm...what could make this design make sense (and maybe put john off his project and thus saving us all)...and then I saw that lower horn and the balance issues...I know...a little practice amp and 4" speaker in the lower part there with a louvered speaker grill...instant balancing and no amp required and I could take it outback and scare up a few roos...then hit them over the head with the pointy bits! Plus...it's still a corvus...but then, maybe I won't! pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I'm all for a budget in lieu of build specs. Thinking back, with the components I'm taking off the Tulip to make this with, then factoring in new wood & a neck, I'll have an output of +/- $150. I don't know if that's what y'all were thinking, but that'll be about where I'm at. If that's a reasonable number, then let's use it. If not, speak up. What about the time limit? Seven weeks seems like it wouldn't be long enough, so how about May 31st? That's over 11 weeks from right now. As you all know, I've made my own template. As a time saver and help for consistency, I'm willing to mail you a paper tracing of the template. I won't tell you guys my ideas of improvement as it would spoil the surprise! You'd have to show it off in the build thread sooner or later. ...but rules are not important and only holds things back...and changing it is not the same at all, so cutting the head off it is a no-no...or at least not a corvus in my book. So you either don't want rules or you do. Don't make it headless or change anything is still a rule. If the limitations are time & budget, not specs, that alone will restrict what can & can't be done. I say if it's in the budget, it's OK. For MY mind, I think more of the body shape than the headstock or other little tweaks when a model is mentioned. Think about it - is it still a flying V if it uses an in-line headstock and a bound body? Can you REALLY say it isn't a V just because it's not made exactly the way Gibson makes them? No sir, the basic body shape determines the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddW Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Some of us are in the middle of other projects, so I propose: Entries due by July 1st 2009 Must be Corvus shaped with only minor changes to the body shape allowed. (I'd allow headless since the shape is so poorly balanced.) $200 limit +PUPs. This will be honor code. I wouldn't limit it to $150 because it cost more to buy stuff in some places than in others. There were at least 3 Corvus models made, so I wouldn't limit PUPs, because that limits sound and if we're going to put in the effort, we should be able to have it be at least useful to us. I've got 2 P90's sitting around and a lot of purple heart, so I know what I'll use Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirge for november Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 The last two posts are definetly to my liking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orgmorg Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have a better idea...contest to see who can make the most hideous corvus...rotten wood,splotchy paint...rusty nails... Hmm.... sounds like my kinda bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddW Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 You know, it's hard for me to look at the Corvus and not think Gibson planned it to be a headless guitar. That angle is just so convenient and lines up perfectly to let you use standard tuners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I was including pups in that $200. Take that with a grain of salt though - I get mine on eBay and refuse to pay a lot. Thinking this through and only going with one source for parts.... pulls out the Stew-Mac catalog... a set of dot inlays looks to be about $5 truss rod is $15-$20 sheet of pickguard material is $14 a switch is $13 basic pots go $2.75/each jack is $3.65 or you can go the easy way with a wiring kit for $$15-$25 usable tuners for $35 gotoh TOM combo for $38 wraparound for $37 gotoh hardtail for $41, bushings add another $7 knobs for $2.25-$9.00 strap buttons $3.50 jack plate $$6-$9 neck plate/ferrules + screws $10 I missed the nut, but I think they're $1-$2 That brings us to a reasonable $150 for decent stuff, and we all KNOW we can get better prices than Stew-Mac with about 5 minutes of looking. So, add in the body wood, a pre-shaped/slotted fretboard, and misc supplies and I agree that $200 + pups is a very reasonable number. Let's put in this caveat - it's not $200 out of pocket, it's $200 in value. Having the item on hand already doesn't mean you don't need to factor it's cost into the budget. Fair? So here's where we're at: Corvus body shape with only very minor changes. A budget of $200 + pups. Guitar must be finished by June 30, 2009, with judging to start July 1, 2009. When the time comes, someone will make a entry thread like GOTM. On July 1, someone will start the poll. Anything else? Do we want to have a signup deadline or just leave it open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirge for november Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sounds like a plan to me! Only thing that worries me a bit is the currency. But that'll probably clear out aproximately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddW Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 That brings us to a reasonable $150 for decent stuff, and we all KNOW we can get better prices than Stew-Mac with about 5 minutes of looking. So, add in the body wood, a pre-shaped/slotted fretboard, and misc supplies and I agree that $200 + pups is a very reasonable number. Let's put in this caveat - it's not $200 out of pocket, it's $200 in value. Having the item on hand already doesn't mean you don't need to factor it's cost into the budget. Fair? Hi Avenger, Guessing that's probably not fair. I have an extra slotted ebony fingerboard, all my wood, P90 pups, switches, pots from my amp building stuff, an extra earvana nut, a jack and plate, an extra truss rod from Grizzly, fret wire, a paduak/bubinga neck blank I never used. Might even have an extra tone-pros bridge if I can find some replacement pegs (those are still in the guitar it came off). So other than tuners, I don't need to buy anything. Not really fair if I don't count the cost of those accidental purchases. . . Setting a price limit is tough! Still, this is just a friendly "contest", so let's not get too hung up on the price part. Are you ok with: Corvus body, can't be heavily modified. Try to stay under $200 w/o PUPs. (The penalty for going way over is the judges won't think you played fair. . . ) Have fun. ? ? ? PS) Hope this happens just to see what Ormorg does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I actually considered this for a second, just for the challenge of trying to make silk out of a sows ear. But with all the constrictions . . .MEH. It should just be 'build a Corvis', with any interpretations valid as long as it's recognizable as a Corvus (ie. original body shape intact). Who cares about budget, wood porn, headless, electronics etc etc. Back to the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I actually considered this for a second, just for the challenge of trying to make silk out of a sows ear. But with all the constrictions . . .MEH. It should just be 'build a Corvis', with any interpretations valid as long as it's recognizable as a Corvus (ie. original body shape intact). Who cares about budget, wood porn, headless, electronics etc etc. Back to the shop. exactly, the challenge isnt really about who can make the best or how quickly/cheaply they can do it!! the challenge is really to see who can take such a questionable design and make something worthwhile from it. From that perspective the body needs to be at least 90% the gibson corvus shape - whatever goes for everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 That brings us to a reasonable $150 for decent stuff, and we all KNOW we can get better prices than Stew-Mac with about 5 minutes of looking. So, add in the body wood, a pre-shaped/slotted fretboard, and misc supplies and I agree that $200 + pups is a very reasonable number. Let's put in this caveat - it's not $200 out of pocket, it's $200 in value. Having the item on hand already doesn't mean you don't need to factor it's cost into the budget. Fair? Hi Avenger, Guessing that's probably not fair. I have an extra slotted ebony fingerboard, all my wood, P90 pups, switches, pots from my amp building stuff, an extra earvana nut, a jack and plate, an extra truss rod from Grizzly, fret wire, a paduak/bubinga neck blank I never used. Might even have an extra tone-pros bridge if I can find some replacement pegs (those are still in the guitar it came off). So other than tuners, I don't need to buy anything. Not really fair if I don't count the cost of those accidental purchases. . . Setting a price limit is tough! Still, this is just a friendly "contest", so let's not get too hung up on the price part. Are you ok with: Corvus body, can't be heavily modified. Try to stay under $200 w/o PUPs. (The penalty for going way over is the judges won't think you played fair. No no... that's that I'm saying... even if you already own it, factor the cost of it new into the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirge for november Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I think 200$ is a good estimate, though for me it'll be a little tough. But it's a challenge so that's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I actually considered this for a second, just for the challenge of trying to make silk out of a sows ear. But with all the constrictions . . .MEH. It should just be 'build a Corvis', with any interpretations valid as long as it's recognizable as a Corvus (ie. original body shape intact). Who cares about budget, wood porn, headless, electronics etc etc. Back to the shop. exactly, the challenge isn't really about who can make the best or how quickly/cheaply they can do it!! the challenge is really to see who can take such a questionable design and make something worthwhile from it. From that perspective the body needs to be at least 90% the gibson corvus shape - whatever goes for everything else Though, consider if you will what we are saying Wes. Could you, in your right mind cut out that shape from a nice piece of XXXXX? I'm running through my wood stash in my head right now, and the thought pains me. Anyway, they can't stop us from building whatever we want . . . then again, I see evil at work here. Some demon seed of motivation to build this abomination has been implanted in us? What?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I actually considered this for a second, just for the challenge of trying to make silk out of a sows ear. But with all the constrictions . . .MEH. It should just be 'build a Corvis', with any interpretations valid as long as it's recognizable as a Corvus (ie. original body shape intact). Who cares about budget, wood porn, headless, electronics etc etc. exactly, the challenge isnt really about who can make the best or how quickly/cheaply they can do it!! the challenge is really to see who can take such a questionable design and make something worthwhile from it. From that perspective the body needs to be at least 90% the gibson corvus shape - whatever goes for everything else I'd go so far as to say the outline has to be there. EG: A LP is still a LP whether it's a flat studio model or a chambered, carved-top, f-hole, uber-bling edition. As for budget, I completely disagree. The above differences in the LP is the perfect reason. The rule could be "use the LP shape" and one on a budget would bring a melody maker with another without a budget bringing the bling machine. Which one wins? Seriously... who wins? No, my friends, a budget IS important. It helps level the playing field considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Which one wins? Seriously... who wins? I don't think there has to be a winner. Just seeing the various interpretations is enough. If it was to be judged as the GOTM is, I still see no reason for there to be such constraints just as the regular GOTM does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Which one wins? Seriously... who wins? I don't think there has to be a winner. Just seeing the various interpretations is enough. If it was to be judged as the GOTM is, I still see no reason for there to be such constraints just as the regular GOTM does not. It it's a build-off with a deadline - there's a winner. It's just the nature of the beast. Otherwise, you're right - we'd all just make it for the sake of making it. If that's the case (which I don't believe it is), then the whole idea needs to be scrapped. So far, the ones I see who are against a budget are the ones who 1) have more resources available, 2) want to change the guitar into something else, and 3) weren't interested in it in the first place. Seriously - we have a no-holds barred contest every month. Let's leave this one with a budget and a relatively even playing field. I agree with whoever said that working within the budget can show off your creativity and resourcefulness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) So far, the ones I see who are against a budget are the ones who 1) have more resources available, 2) want to change the guitar into something else, and 3) weren't interested in it in the first place. 1) says who? 2) Make it something better than what it is? Yes. Make it into something it isn't? No. 3) The interest was there, just from a different angle. Mythbusters proved that you CAN polish a turd. Literally. http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbuster...ing-a-turd.html Edited March 11, 2009 by komodo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddW Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Hey Avenger, I actually have no problem with budget or no budget. If more people are game with no budget, then so be it. It's the builder's money after all, and there's no prize. I bought a lot of my electronics stuff on closeout, so a volume pot that sells for $5 that cost me $.25 is an edge for me if there's a budget, same with my $20 P90's that nobody else bid on. Realistically, we can't track the budget, and I don't think anyone is going to throw a $300 quilted maple top on one of these Here's an idea. How about we simply require the out of pocket/budget be disclosed? That way, the judges can award points for frugality. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I see maybe two people who might actually build one of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I thought about joining and building a guitar, since my son wants a guitar for him (all mines are right and he is a lefty), but I just did a search for Curvus, and I must say I'M OUT!!!!! Who in their right mind will build something so hideous! That thing should be in that thread floating around about the ugliest guitars ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddW Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I uggrey, but if I put the tuners in the cut out, and slightly tweak the lower curve, it could be ergonomically hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 ToddW: That's where you'd have a LOT of leeway to work within the budget. Remember that pups aren't included in that $200. I don't spend a lot on some parts either, but that's me. I'm positive that Wes would call us all sorts of things for buying a discount pot or switch, but he thinks differently than you & I. Maybe a prop would have access to some parts cheaper than us - so be it. I could trip over a set of Steinberger tuners for $50, or a great neck for less than that. The budget would be about how resourceful you are. Drak: C'mon, dude! Join in. You know you wanna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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