Prostheta Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Funny how people disrespect Pine. If you overcome any structural issues due to it being a softwood you have material that only gets better with age. I'm Orgmorg would agree that Pine feels like stone after a decade or two of being in service. Amazing transformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengers63 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 The one guitar I made from clear white pine shouded just killer. As a bonus, it was stupid-easy to work with because of how soft it is. I've wanted to do something with construction/yellow pine, but I just haven't got around to it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Ok. we all agree pine is killer tone. However it has several gotchas.These blanks sat in my shop for a year because this wasn't my first Pine rodeo.These blanks were made from very clear sections of the boards with very little knots.This particular blank is a 4 piece blank by default (mess ups on my part) and the grain is now properly aligned.It dents every time you look at it wrong. This blank fell off the drum sander and picked up 2 horrendous dents I couldn't get out. I dropped the battery drill behind the bridge and got a nice cross dent that is so deep it won't come out. I laid it on the bench and a stray fret end cause tons of damage to the back as it rolled around under it. You get the idea...If you don't let it dry properly it will be a nightmare. My bench 2x4s were only 3 weeks removed from lowes. They ruined every piece of sand paper I put to them. Very expensive when we are talking 60" belt sanders and 22" drum sanders (or the new 19-38).I sealed every knot with thick CA. Because I have dealt with unstable wood before I know better.Coating a piece of Pine in epoxy is a mixed bag. It might turn out ok it might not.Oil finish on Pine == Stupid. Bad things will ensue. Use nitro.It is light. Making it easy to build a neck heavy guitar. I consider myself pretty good at the light guitar and I almost ended up with a neck heavy monster on this one. The added Tele hardware (control plate, vol tone sw, bridge) saved me.I knew this would work because my hero Benedetto proved that it is the luthier that makes a guitar not the wood.http://benedettoguitars.com/2011/09/16/flashback-friday-knot-so-bad/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Last comment on Pine guitars.My friends who build snakeheads over at TDPRI are all dead on. A pine snakehead is amazing (google it if you don't get it).Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) I don't know why everyone assumes people hate pine because of tone voodoo.We all know pine sounds just fine because almost all of us built out first practice guitar from it. The other considerations Rad mentions are why it isn't used much.I personally feel a Pine Explorer would be awesome because the huge body needs a lighter wood than mahogany IMO.I would use white pine though,not construction grade yellow unless it was REALLY old.Old enough to turn grey There is no conspiracy against pine,but every time it is used it comes up as if there is. I think the tele looks awesome. Edited November 16, 2013 by westhemann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I googled pine snakehead and all I got were pics of pine snakes,so I still don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I googled pine snakehead and all I got were pics of pine snakes,so I still don't get it.grrr...Pine snakehead telecasterhttps://www.google.com/search?q=Pine+snakehead+telecaster&safe=off&rlz=1C1AVSW_enUS370US370&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=F7uGUq6gO7Hd4APx8IGoBQ&ved=0CE4QsAQ&biw=1105&bih=580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I personally feel a Pine Explorer would be awesome because the huge body needs a lighter wood than mahogany IMO.Yes. This would be the bomb. Thanks Wes for adding another project to my list.I am feeling a traditional Explorer with pickguard and traditional explorer routes made from Lowes white pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 It would be epic if you could find t&g pine and have it be several pieces 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Natural Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 There was a video on youtube that I was trying to find (to reply to this "pine tone discussion"- but its gone now- its of Arlo West and a pinecaster either he made or had made- it had a cocked wah set up - it had one pickup- something like- pickup only, pickup with regular tone and cocked wah tone. That thing was freaking amazing sounding. The cocked wah sounded like shitte clean- but with distortion it was like instant Michael Schenker (albeit with a single coil pickup)- very very cool. That video had him playing "just got paid" and it was so bad ass sounding. Completely changed my mind about pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Aussie blackwood... Vic and Taz. With a ringed Gidgee fretboard to boot. No plan yet but glad to have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Starting on 2 new multiscale 7 strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Needed a switch knob for the Blackguard. I could order one but this is a cheap prototype so lets grab a piece of ABS and make a knob. Can't be that hard. I didn't use the drill press to drill the hole so the first 2 ended up being a bit crooked. After finally getting a straight hole I rounded it on the belt sander, sanded it with a 180 grit sponge and buffed it on the buffer wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 This is why I hate using CA for a sealer. Big yellow discoloration. There are also yellow streaks on the front and it gums up the sand paper really quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 3 coats of clear before going to the color. This way I can level it before the burst without worrying about cutting through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 After leveling we get ugly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sanding out the red witch II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Time for decals. No more water slide decals for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Lets get oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ScottR Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Have you decided that the cnc is the way to go for multi-scale fret slots? SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Have you decided that the cnc is the way to go for multi-scale fret slots?SRNot yet. I liked my other method. But I broke the template when I dropped it on the ground. Instead of cutting a new template I just cut a fretboard as an experiment.I have yet to string up a guitar that I slotted using the CNC. Hopefully soon I will and we can talk about it. All the measurements are dead on so we will see moving forward. It takes the CNC 15 minutes or so to cut a board plus a little setup time but it is nice to be able to do other things while it is cutting.Knowing I can push the .026 bit through the board without breaking it is good. Being overly cautious I left the slots shallow on the first couple of boards and I still have to finish the slots with a hand saw. The Dozuki is really sharp and easily cuts wherever it wants sometimes that can lead to errors which makes me nervous.If the CNC proves it can reliably cut slots I may let it. But you know how it likes to go astray at the worst possible time on the most exotic woods... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Natural Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 "Time for decals. No more water slide decals for me" I must admit I dont know much about decals- I am assuming you are saying you are going to another type of decal? que pasa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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